Cesc Fàbregas

[Jase 43,479]

That's a stupid way to put it, especially that I was talking in particular about MOBILITY.

Doesn't really make much of a difference. Using only 'mobility' to justify effort is clutching at straws. It's like Arsenal fans using the 'Distance Covered' statistics to prove Ozil is always active against every opponent in matches.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Doesn't really make much of a difference. Using only 'mobility' to justify effort is clutching at straws. It's like Arsenal fans using the 'Distance Covered' statistics to prove Ozil is always active against every opponent in matches.

Did you even read the post you originally quoted?

I was talking about mobility because that is what I think was our biggest issue against Porto:

We were lacking movement and runs especially on the wings so Cesc's mobility, even if slow, was a plus in my eyes and if our attacking midfielders had been as mobile we probably would have gotten a different result.

And you can't someone didn't put in the effort when he covered the most distance regardless of tackles and passes. I didn't say he was fantastic, I didn't say he was effective. I said he put in the effort and the most effort any player can make is through constant running and covering of distance.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Without looking at the stats I can be 100% sure that he covered the most distance yesterday from our team or at the very least was in the top 3.

You are right, 11.4 km. No other player reached 10 km in our team.

Im surprised people still throw that shit out. He is lazy and joggs for 90min. Thats how he gets 11km. With slow jogging whole game. He doesnt sprint, doesnt chase oppoonent when he loses the ball, anyone gets easily past him and all he does is jogging. He cant mark opponents because they sprint and he doesnt. He moves twice slower than anyone else.

But he got 11km. He is in fit shape for grannies marathon. Great.

[Jase 43,479]

Did you even read the post you originally quoted? I was talking about mobility because that is what I think was our biggest issue against Porto:

You talked about mobility and also effort based on how much distance the player covers. I pretty much addressed the things you mentioned.

And you can't someone didn't put in the effort when he covered the most distance regardless of tackles and passes. I didn't say he was fantastic, I didn't say he was effective. I said he put in the effort and the most effort any player can make is through constant running and covering of distance.

Well, it's clear that we have different expectations about effort. A player may cover more distance than his teammates but what's the point in that if that person doesn't do anything else to make the running count? Any Tom, Dick and Harry can just run around on the pitch. This is just like how people used to praise Torres for looking sharp, moving himself about etc even though he ultimately contributed nothing in matches.

[didierforever 7,349]

Im surprised people still throw that shit out. He is lazy and joggs for 90min. Thats how he gets 11km. With slow jogging whole game. He doesnt sprint, doesnt chase oppoonent when he loses the ball, anyone gets easily past him and all he does is jogging. He cant mark opponents because they sprint and he doesnt. He moves twice slower than anyone else.

But he got 11km. He is in fit shape for grannies marathon. Great.

you get to know exactly how shit the player has been by the kind of excuses and arguments people put in his favour.

remember when people used to say that torres runs a lot?

[11Drogba 2,000]

you get to know exactly how shit the player has been by the kind of excuses and arguments people put in his favour.

remember when people used to say that torres runs a lot?

It is an important stat for players in double pivot and fullbacks imo. You need dynamic, mobile players in those positions.

[didierforever 7,349]

It is an important stat for players in double pivot and fullbacks imo. You need dynamic, mobile players in those positions.

he played 60mins as a CAM against porto if i am not wrong.

and even then, i would say, its not. tackles won, aerial duels won, chances created, interceptions made, are far far far more important.

[11Drogba 2,000]

he played 60mins as a CAM against porto if i am not wrong.

and even then, i would say, its not. tackles won, aerial duels won, chances created, interceptions made, are far far far more important.

I don't think Torres example is relevant. You can't do those things only by positioning yourself at the right spot if you are playing in midfield.

[didierforever 7,349]

I don't think Torres example is relevant. You can't do those things only by positioning yourself at the right spot if you are playing in midfield.

cesc's "ground covering" and "workrate" is exactly like torres' "workrate".

cesc is a defensive liability. always has been, always will be. his "running/jogging around" does not help the team in any way

[11Drogba 2,000]

cesc's "ground covering" and "workrate" is exactly like torres' "workrate".

cesc is a defensive liability. always has been, always will be. his "running/jogging around" does not help the team in any way

He becomes a bigger liability when he runs less.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Well, it's clear that we have different expectations about effort. A player may cover more distance than his teammates but what's the point in that if that person doesn't do anything else to make the running count? Any Tom, Dick and Harry can just run around on the pitch. This is just like how people used to praise Torres for looking sharp, moving himself about etc even though he ultimately contributed nothing in matches.

I wasn't praising him per say. Again, I didn't say he was good or effective. I said he put in the effort. 'Effort' doesn't take football skills. I don't know how else you can define it as it literally means to work hard.

Im surprised people still throw that shit out. He is lazy and joggs for 90min. Thats how he gets 11km. With slow jogging whole game. He doesnt sprint, doesnt chase oppoonent when he loses the ball, anyone gets easily past him and all he does is jogging. He cant mark opponents because they sprint and he doesnt. He moves twice slower than anyone else.

But he got 11km. He is in fit shape for grannies marathon. Great.

HOW do you cover 11.4 K m while being lazy? Literally to cover 11.4Km during 90 minutes means his average speed was 2.11 meters per second; that's without taking into consideration the time he is not running during the match. And you're seriously suggesting that he covered all that just by jogging??!!! And not just suggesting, but declaring in any incredibly shitty condescending and provocative attitude. But I guess after all ignorance is a prerequisite for such condescension.

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

Should be absolutely ashamed of himself for the Southampton equaliser, just wandering around the field minding his own business while Ramires races round the pitch doing the work for two. Fuck sake.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

Should be absolutely ashamed of himself for the Southampton equaliser, just wandering around the field minding his own business while Ramires races round the pitch doing the work for two. Fuck sake.

Thats the most disappointing thing about him. They got on top of us mostly because they figure if they pass around him he can't get in position to stop it.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

get him out of the team please

[didierforever 7,349]

i thought he "controlled the mid today" :lol: