Nemanja Matic

[BlueLyon 9,359]

If it is true that he loves the club and realy wants to prove himself here, we will get superb midfielder and amazing person who will always give 100% to the club.

Dont want to say it too early, but Welcome back Matic :blue scalf:

[Hutcho 8,443]

Why is the David Luiz deal bad when he's clearly increased his value since he has joined us?

Torres yes, Luiz no. If we wanted to sell Luiz he'd go for more than we got him for.

And again before you say it, there is no way Matic would've made it if he stayed here.

This is the crucial point...

Matic would not be the same as he is now had he not left us when he did. Matic then and Matic now should be regarded as completely different entities as they are completely different players.

[Term-X 7,891]

Why is the David Luiz deal bad when he's clearly increased his value since he has joined us?

Torres yes, Luiz no. If we wanted to sell Luiz he'd go for more than we got him for.

Luiz is in the same position as Mata in this squad now, the only reason he's been playing recently is due to Lampard's injury. He's worth £25m tops and that's IF the Barca rumours were true, so no he hasn't increased his value all that much. As a club we would have only benefitted long term with that January 2011 transfer window from never happening at all really.

And again before you say it, there is no way Matic would've made it if he stayed here.

It doesn't make it 'all worth it' though, especially when you consider we threw everything but the kitchen sink to sign Modric.

[Term-X 7,891]

By that, I'm not quite saying AVB would have been more successful if we had managed to sign Modric for the pivot, but still..

[BlueLyon 9,359]

This is the crucial point...

Matic would not be the same as he is now had he not left us when he did. Matic then and Matic now should be regarded as completely different entities as they are completely different players.

Exactly, its like saying Fabregas before Arsenal and after it was same player. Obviously there is no comparison between Matic 3 years ago and now. We sold him for 2 mio because he was worth that much and now we bought him for 20 because he is worth that much. And I dont feel bad with this signing, club didnt put faith in him back then, but if we kept him, he would now be playing in Championship, instead he developed his skills greatly and it was infact good decision by the board. If you take a look at him as another player, he is fantastic and easily worth what we paid for him, especialy in this crazy market. Any other DM would cost same or even more. In no way, this is a bad deal. He will improve our team and thats all what matters.

[Korea 734]

Now, Ramires can actually rest some games and the rest of the team has less legwork to do...

[The only place to be 11,313]

Luiz is in the same position as Mata in this squad now, the only reason he's been playing recently is due to Lampard's injury. He's worth £25m tops and that's IF the Barca rumours were true, so no he hasn't increased his value all that much. As a club we would have only benefitted long term with that January 2011 transfer window from never happening at all really.

I don't think you'd find many people who would think Luiz is worth any less than £30 million in the current market.

[Ludogold 0]

Witsel is way better in my (non objective) opinion.

[svajo 153]

I think he will be an autoMatic choice for the starting XI.

[zolayes 14,489]

Exactly, its like saying Fabregas before Arsenal and after it was same player. Obviously there is no comparison between Matic 3 years ago and now. We sold him for 2 mio because he was worth that much and now we bought him for 20 because he is worth that much. And I dont feel bad with this signing, club didnt put faith in him back then, but if we kept him, he would now be playing in Championship, instead he developed his skills greatly and it was infact good decision by the board. If you take a look at him as another player, he is fantastic and easily worth what we paid for him, especialy in this crazy market. Any other DM would cost same or even more. In no way, this is a bad deal. He will improve our team and thats all what matters.

So what you are saying is we are good at spotting potential stars and buying them . but absolutely shit at developing them . When I have criticised our academy and the reserve coaches I have been slaughtered on here

have been laughed at .

[Term-X 7,891]

I don't think you'd find many people who would think Luiz is worth any less than £30 million in the current market.

Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.

He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Luiz is in the same position as Mata in this squad now, the only reason he's been playing recently is due to Lampard's injury. He's worth £25m tops and that's IF the Barca rumours were true, so no he hasn't increased his value all that much. As a club we would have only benefitted long term with that January 2011 transfer window from never happening at all really.

Still, even if we do go by your valuation, £25m is still a nice price, so the deal is nowhere near as bad as you're trying to make it seem.

Torres on the other hand... I'd bite your hand off if you offered £10-15m for him. Now that's what you call a bad deal. He's not even worth half of what we paid for him. Call Luiz's average if you want but to say it's one of the worst deals ever done is ridiculous.

Yeah, Luiz has slightly regressed this season but before that he was steadily improving and he still has enough time to turn it around in the second half of this season. There's still plenty of games to go.

[Pizy 18,368]

Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.

Bayern is the latest rumor. They'd want to pair him with Dante.

[The Skipper 20,593]

Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.

He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.

Man City, United, Barcelona, Bayern just to mention a few clubs. If Luiz regained form he'd walk into those teams in my honest opinion.

[Term-X 7,891]

Bayern is the latest rumor. They'd want to pair him with Dante.

If that's the case we should sell, it would be an absolute coup!

It's a PR disaster for the people who fell in love with his character/personality but fuck those people, this isn't big brother.

[Korea 734]

Bayern is the latest rumor. They'd want to pair him with Dante.

Everyone is linked to bayern now.....

Its too bad, Sammer would never sign them...

Its also too bad they would never pay 30m for Luiz as well..

Man City, United, Barcelona, Bayern just to mention a few clubs. If Luiz regained form he'd walk into those teams in my honest opinion.

Not City. United would never sign Luiz, they already have decent-good CBs ..Barca maybe, pending on Puyol and Barthra....

[The Skipper 20,593]

Everyone is linked to bayern now.....

Its too bad, Sammer would never sign them...

Its also too bad they would never pay 30m for Luiz as well..

Not City. United would never sign Luiz, they already havedeent-good CBs..Barca maybe, pending on Puyol and Barthra....

A Kompany - Luiz partnership would be the best in the PL and one of the best in the world when both are on form. Fits in with Pellegrini's philosophy too. I'm not saying they'd sign him but United have a huge CB problem IMO. Barcelona also for obvious reasons.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Who would sign Luiz?, bar the aforementioned club who were 'rumoured' to want him.

He's in the exact same position as Mata under Mourinho.

He's in a completely different position to Mata. Mata doesn't seem to fit the system whereas Luiz can, in multiple positions. As for who might be in for him there's probably Barca, maybe Bayern and maybe even PSG but that could all change after the World Cup.