🇷🇸 Nemanja Matic

[Pizy 18,914]

Maybe this was his plan all along. Go until January with the central midfield we have now and scout a few in the mean time to see which we should buy. Hopefully he checks out Witsel too.

[Fernando 6,585]

Maybe this was his plan all along. Go until January with the central midfield we have now and scout a few in the mean time to see which we should buy. Hopefully he checks out Witsel too.

Might be easier to get Witsel if the Russian club does a fire sale like Anzhi.

But Benfica play hard ball so it will be hard to get back Matic.

[drog.ba 239]

We have to start insisting on buy back clauses, even if they are £25m, and mean we get a smaller fee for the player. Want us to bring back this guy and Sturridge in Jan

[GermanBlue 82]

Might be easier to get Witsel if the Russian club does a fire sale like Anzhi.

But Benfica play hard ball so it will be hard to get back Matic.

That's unlikely as the structure at Zenit is there for some time now and they've been a top Russian club ever since. It's unlikely that Gazprom will stop their sponsoring anytime soon IMO, they are a too big company and they also sponsor Schalke e.g.. The situation at Anzhi was quite different as the club was construed to achieve short-time success and because they simply didn't manage to do that, their money supply was cut off.

Matic's market value (€22m) is still less than Witsel's (€32m) and the fact that Zenit bought the Belgian for €40m, would not make him cheaper for us. Portuguese teams are always hard to negotiate with though.

[José Mateus 46]

That's unlikely as the structure at Zenit is there for some time now and they've been a top Russian club ever since. It's unlikely that Gazprom will stop their sponsoring anytime soon IMO, they are a too big company and they also sponsor Schalke e.g.. The situation at Anzhi was quite different as the club was construed to achieve short-time success and because they simply didn't manage to do that, their money supply was cut off.

Matic's market value (€22m) is still less than Witsel's (€32m) and the fact that Zenit bought the Belgian for €40m, would not make him cheaper for us. Portuguese teams are always hard to negotiate with though.

Matiç won't leave Benfica for less than 40 €.

The way things are here with all the pressure on the president and the coach... that would be the last nail on the coffin

[CHOULO19 24,332]

That's unlikely as the structure at Zenit is there for some time now and they've been a top Russian club ever since. It's unlikely that Gazprom will stop their sponsoring anytime soon IMO, they are a too big company and they also sponsor Schalke e.g.. The situation at Anzhi was quite different as the club was construed to achieve short-time success and because they simply didn't manage to do that, their money supply was cut off.

Matic's market value (€22m) is still less than Witsel's (€32m) and the fact that Zenit bought the Belgian for €40m, would not make him cheaper for us. Portuguese teams are always hard to negotiate with though.

What the heck is "market value"?

[BlueLyon 9,359]

Matic is quality player but will need to prove in better league first to be worth 40mio.

I would however take Witsel/Pogba or DDR ahead of him atm.

[The Mak 4,459]

Matiç won't leave Benfica for less than 40 €.

The way things are here with all the pressure on the president and the coach... that would be the last nail on the coffin

Benfica logic: We sold Witsel for €40m, so we'll do the same with Matic!

:lol2:

Porto and Benfica always make me laugh every transfer window, Hulk for €50m+ and Matic for €40m LO-fucking-L!

[hjperdeath 2,226]

What the heck is "market value"?

Think he means this .

Witsel - http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/axel-witsel/profil/spieler_35047.html

Matic - http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/nemanja-matic/profil/spieler_74683.html

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Think he means this .

Witsel - http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/axel-witsel/profil/spieler_35047.html

Matic - http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/nemanja-matic/profil/spieler_74683.html

So an imaginary number set by someone who has nothing to do with either the club or the player? Sounds legit..

[hjperdeath 2,226]

So an imaginary number set by someone who has nothing to do with either the club or the player? Sounds legit..

It's actually quite a decent site. Their valuations are considered after crunching statistics. I heard Simon Kuper talk about it long back, the topic was on football statistic sites, and how transfrmarkt was quite under-rated when compared to Opta, FourFourTwo, Squawka, etc. But usually when people talk about transfer market value, they take valuations from this site. Trusted or not, people can't be 110% sure, but there's work done behind getting that number.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

It's actually quite a decent site. Their valuations are considered after crunching statistics. I heard Simon Kuper talk about it long back, the topic was on football statistic sites, and how transfrmarkt was quite under-rated when compared to Opta, FourFourTwo, Squawka, etc. But usually when people talk about transfer market value, they take valuations from this site. Trusted or not, people can't be 110% sure, but there's work done behind getting that number.

Unless the algorithm they use to "crunch" the statistics has somehow managed to solve for all the variables in the universe and predict the future then the number means next to nothing. Football transfers do not follow rules or even patters. Heck, often they don't even follow logic. That's why Bale goes for 90+m while Villa goes for under 5!

Bottom line is, you're probably better off using FIFA ratings to compare players rather than what a site think they are worth.

[hjperdeath 2,226]

Unless the algorithm they use to "crunch" the statistics has somehow managed to solve for all the variables in the universe and predict the future then the number means next to nothing. Football transfers do not follow rules or even patters. Heck, often they don't even follow logic. That's why Bale goes for 90+m while Villa goes for under 5!

Bottom line is, you're probably better off using FIFA ratings to compare players rather than what a site think they are worth.

Depends on how you look at it . No player ever goes for their transfer market value , but at the end of the day all of them do depending on their recent performances , history , form , level they are playing at , etc. doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be sold for that exact value .

[GermanBlue 82]

So an imaginary number set by someone who has nothing to do with either the club or the player? Sounds legit..

It's a number set by experts according to statistics and reputation of the player and league etc. which should show the players estimated value on the transfer market. Of course it isn't something like an overall rating like in FIFA, because you can't valuate a human in terms of money, but if there's a difference of €10m it is a good way to rate a player. Everybody knows that it's hard to negotiate with Portuguese sites and Matic leaving for that sum is something completely different and unrealistic. Please read my post again. The only thing I wanted to express is that Matic is still rated lower objectively than Witsel despite playing a great season at Benfica and that getting Witsel would not be any easier, because Fernando pointed out that it could be.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Depends on how you look at it . No player ever goes for their transfer market value , but at the end of the day all of them do depending on their recent performances , history , form , level they are playing at , etc. doesn't necessarily mean they're going to be sold for that exact value .

There are also variables that have nothing to do with the player performance, like what club is buying him? How bad do they need him? How many teams are in for him? In which window is he being transferred? How much time is left of the window? How happy is he at his current club? How eager is he to join the other team? Does he want to force the move? How good are the negotiators of each team? What is the selling club policy about selling players? Are they Porto or are they Chelsea?...etc and tons of other factors that you just can't measure.

But even if you put all that aside for a moment, this is football, not baseball, for example. Stats can help you show a certain point but they account for very little of the game. No stat can integrate player movement, mentality, decision making, leadership...etc

So I disagree. I don't think that those numbers on the sight can be used to predict the fee that a certain player may be sold for nor is it a good way to measure and compare the skills of football players.

[English Freak 456]

It's a number set by experts according to statistics and reputation of the player and league etc. which should show the players estimated value on the transfer market. Of course it isn't something like an overall rating like in FIFA, because you can't valuate a human in terms of money, but if there's a difference of €10m it is a good way to rate a player. Everybody knows that it's hard to negotiate with Portuguese sites and Matic leaving for that sum is something completely different and unrealistic. Please read my post again. The only thing I wanted to express is that Matic is still rated lower objectively than Witsel despite playing a great season at Benfica and that getting Witsel would not be any easier, because Fernando pointed out that it could be.

Even though Matic had a great season at Benfica...Witsel is more versatile in terms of skill set and his ability to play multiple positions in midfield...hence his 'value' is going to be higher for clubs that want to buy him.

In my opinion, Matic is only worth 20 million whilst Witsel is worth close to 30 million because of his well-rounded skill set.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

I cant see us going for an inferior player to Mikel tbh. Mikel isn't even getting minutes for us yet so I doubt we'll be signing Matic any time soon.

[José Mateus 46]

Benfica logic: We sold Witsel for €40m, so we'll do the same with Matic!

:lol2:

Porto and Benfica always make me laugh every transfer window, Hulk for €50m+ and Matic for €40m LO-fucking-L!

Do you know what makes me laugh?

Fernando Torres €60m

Porto and Benfica do what's possible to remain competitive and that means buy cheap and sell for millions. Unfortunately there ain't a Russian millionaire in every club on earth.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

Do you know what makes me laugh?

Fernando Torres €60m

Porto and Benfica do what's possible to remain competitive and that means buy cheap and sell for millions. Unfortunately there ain't a Russian millionaire in every club on earth.

Laugh some more

[zolayes 14,489]

Do you know what makes me laugh?

Fernando Torres €60m

Porto and Benfica do what's possible to remain competitive and that means buy cheap and sell for millions. Unfortunately there ain't a Russian millionaire in every club on earth.

wouldn't you like be as rich as us or as successful ,,,,,envy is so destructive ,,,thou shalt not covet thy neighbours goods