Toli 977 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Who?Giroud is miles ahead of Torres, Ba and Etoo. And he was their most dangerous player today too (nearly scored). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think we tried to win until the 75 mintue but were too scared. "tried to win" and "played like a must win game" are 2 very very different comments. even against barcelona we "tried to win" at SB with our counters but i am sure we would have been happy even with not giving barca an away goal. thats the difference. no team would come to the pitch for a match like this and not "try to win". but that is very different from going all out and playing it like a must win game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think if anyone deserved to win it it would have been us. I believe we would have won if tried to take the intitiative. We did well containing and breaking, we could have done a lot more by being proactive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 You're going to have to explain this 'park the bus' stuff. We created more chances than them, had the better chances and this was all done away from home. What exactly do you want?Because we were playing Arsenal and not Bayern Munich, that is my point. It is like earlier this season at MU, we are better teams than them and are CAPABLE of playing good football and beat them, but Jose believe they are far superior team to try to go toe to toe so he chose to be defensive and it actually shown what a mistake that was. If they were so good and deserve to have us playing this defensive football, why didn't they attack more? BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID of conceding from our counter attack.Unlike TRULY big great teams like Bayern and Barca, remember they just attack and attack no matter who their opposition are. That Super Cup game was the only good example of when we should have played really ultra defensive football. Like I said, we only created more because they aren't as good as we make them out to be, they weren't even strong defensively and I am sure we could have dominated them like we did last season.I am not complaining about the result, this is a very good point. But rather disappointed with the approach we took, at least we should be a bit more open and rides our luck, not back to the wall because as we saw, they were even too afraid to attack when we sat back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Giroud is miles ahead of Torres, Ba and Etoo. And he was their most dangerous player today too (nearly scored).are u not the guy who wanted jose to be "sacked" after the line-ups came thru??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosnian Blue 2,471 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Branislav Ivanovic is a fucking beast, what a legend. Take that Ozil, you little cunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I believe we would have won if tried to take the intitiative. We did well containing and breaking, we could have done a lot more by being proactive.I think we just lacked a bit of luck and a decent final ball. I think we got in enough dangerous positions to score at least a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 i dont wanna argue too but i disagree with the last part. we have a striker who we know will not score. willian short circuits in the last 3rd. the 3 midfielders (rambo, lamps, mikel) were set up to disrupt arsenal's game rather than play our own. the only difference here had to be hazard.maybe i am being very unfair to him, but damn it he is eden-fucking-hazard. i expected him to have a season similar to the one CR had when he was 22, 42 goals, and so far... Willian could've set him through on goal 1on1 twice, would your assesment have been different then if he'd scored?I suspect you love him and want him to be great but I think you're gonna have to tone down your expectations a bit, and take our system and his instructions in mind. Great players play great because they get supported by great players (with the exception of some football freaks). Individual performances are hard to pull off in a system that is built around defending. There's a reason Mata has been rather poor when he gets a chance. I don't blame it on form. There's a reason Hazard plays better when he can combine with Mata as well, but this hampers our defense (or what Mourinho expects from our defense).He's no Ronaldo, I doubt he'll ever be as good or even close, but he's still a player most teams would want in a heartbeat. Just enjoy what we have, he's only 22 yo and with some proper singings I'm sure he will raise his level further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Kaiser 77 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Finally some good defensive play. Too bad that we can't join good defensive and good attacking play in one game. Great work in midfield by our trio (Mikel, Lampard, Ramires). Willian invisible in 1st half, great game by Mikel (too bad that he is so imprecise in long passes). We shouldn't be unhappy with draw, we are still in game for trophy. But, if we don't win in next match, against Swansea, then this draw is vainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edetarod 2,155 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 i love when we look very solidwith a little luck we could have won 0-1 and it would have been a classic Chelsea-Mou performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toli 977 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 are u not the guy who wanted jose to be "sacked" after the line-ups came thru???I said when Ramires is playing RW what he didnt. read properly and than comment should have put on Schürrle for Torres and not for Hazard. would have been probably more effective. even though Hazard wasnt really good today, he is still capable to create anything. MAta for Willian should have been our second sub but Mourinho wanted to keep hold on to the draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I am not complaining about the result, this is a very good point. But rather disappointed with the approach we took, at least we should be a bit more open and rides our luck, not back to the wall because as we saw, they were even too afraid to attack when we sat back.So we should rely on luck. So you want more attacking players and maybe a few luck rabbits feet then yes?All this tactical bullshit is just a waste of time...let's just 'ride our luck'. You're not disappointed with the result, but you don't like the way we achieved it. That's a little ungrateful isn't it, especially at this time of year.I believe we would have won if tried to take the intitiative. We did well containing and breaking, we could have done a lot more by being proactive.When our shape did break down, Arsenal created chances. This was an absolutely fantastic display of discipline in horrendous conditions against a team that plenty of people thought would turn us over.And the fact is that we created more chances. Yet a small group of fickle fans are moaning about the lack of ambition. It's fucking laughable what some people come out with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weckerz 3,781 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Giroud is miles ahead of Torres, Ba and Etoo. And he was their most dangerous player today too (nearly scored).Giroud is a joke. Some Arsenal fans wanted Bendtner to start.. I'd rather have Torres tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegenTerry 273 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Branislav Ivanovic is a fucking beast, what a legend. Take that Ozil, you little cunt.Yes but his cross leads me to craziness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 Willian could've set him through on goal 1on1 twice, would your assesment have been different then if he'd scored?I suspect you love him and want him to be great but I think you're gonna have to tone down your expectations a bit, and take our system and his instructions in mind. Great players play great because they get supported by great players (with the exception of some football freaks). Individual performances are hard to pull off in a system that is built around defending. There's a reason Mata has been rather poor when he gets a chance. I don't blame it on form. There's a reason Hazard plays better when he can combine with Mata as well, but this hampers our defense (or what Mourinho expects from our defense).He's no Ronaldo, I doubt he'll ever be as good or even close, but he's still a player most teams would want in a heartbeat. Just enjoy what we have, he's only 22 yo and with some proper singings I'm sure he will raise his level further.its not really fair to expect Hazard to be Ronaldo ,,,,CR is a very special talent ,,the problem is our STRIKERS are FUCKING CRAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petre.ispirescu 4,928 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 tonight's 4-3-3 is the way to go. if playing (solid) like this week in, week out means benching mata, oscar and other fans favourites so be it, i don't care as long as we're winning or taking a point (w/o conceding!!!) away at one of the best teams in epl this season. ffs sunderland and stoke have scored for fun against us and now, when we're rock solid at the back, people are still moaning... two games at the bridge now, hopefully two wins and let the title battle begin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I said when Ramires is playing RW what he didnt. read properly and than comment should have put on Schürrle for Torres and not for Hazard. would have been probably more effective. even though Hazard wasnt really good today, he is still capable to create anything. MAta for Willian should have been our second sub but Mourinho wanted to keep hold on to the draw.yes dude, this makes u look far better, just cos mou might want rambo to play as RW, he should be sacked. arsenal were on top. it was not the like the first half that we were creating chances cos i dont think we did create any in the 2nd half (probably that 4 on 3 which willian fucked up). putting on mata at that time would have been useless. schurrle for torres was maybe, it wa sjose's call and a 50-50 one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouri_Matic 560 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 So we should rely on luck. So you want more attacking players and maybe a few luck rabbits feet then yes?All this tactical bullshit is just a waste of time...let's just 'ride our luck'. You're not disappointed with the result, but you don't like the way we achieved it. That's a little ungrateful isn't it, especially at this time of year.No by ride our luck I mean we being more daring and take the game to them, because we are capable of that. We got the players for that. Yeah because we didn't play with the right mentality for a big club, do you ever see Bayern/Barca/Madrid do this no matter who their opponents are? If we want to compete with them we need that mentality. And no I am very happy with the point like I said, it is just that approach is not nice to see. Now if we fail to beat Swansea and draw/lose next week against Liverpool, we could find ourselves like 7-8 points behind City/Pool/Arsenal and this result might then be seems not that good of a result anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I am a bit puzzled here tonight. To win, to play more offensively against Arsenal made no sense. just a small reminder here, the weather conditions weren´t ideal to do it anyway. Nothing was lost tonight. The team is still at the top, two home games coming up, if won, who knows Chelsea could be leading the pack in early January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted December 23, 2013 Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think we just lacked a bit of luck and a decent final ball. I think we got in enough dangerous positions to score at least a couple. Agreed. Willian, who is a diligent worker and a very good player, doesn't seem to have the final ball in his locker. I counted at least 3 occasions when a pass was on and he either didn't see it or played a poor ball. I like him though and he put in another quality shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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