No.10 Role

[Rmpr 8,977]

We have 4 goals in 4 games, we should be looking to improve attack instead of focusing on defence.

It's ridiculous to even compare Mata and Oscar when it comes to attacking, because the difference is night and day. Mata is a genius, and one of the best creators in Europe. Oscar? not even close to that level at this moment. Hazard has not been playing well, but if Mata was at his best and playing every game it wouldn't be such a big problem. He carried us for long spells last season when Eden was 'adapting'.

I really can't think of one CAM attribute Oscar is better than Mata at. Except defending of course, and we all know how freaking important that is for a CAM

That is not true at all. Mata is definitely a better attacking player than Oscar, but it is not night and day, not in the slightest!

If you cant think of one attribute Oscar is better, that just proves how clueless you are about him and how much you are overrating the Spaniard. Oscar is a much, much better organizer than Juan, the involves other players way more than Mata (who keeps the ball a lot in his feet) and he has a incredibely better close range shot (Mata lost a fucking huge amount of easy goals the past season).

Mata plays well when we have possession, but when we dont, he is a fucking horrible player. AVB and Benitez wanted us to keep the ball for a long time, so he was obviously our best player. However, that is not how Mourinho wants to play, so Mata is not the answer. Jose wants to emulate what he did with Ozil in Madrid and, although Oscar is still far way from the German, he is the closest thing we have.

Mata is also very inconsistent, he has long steakes of brilliance and long streaks of bad games. Mourinho doesnt want his CAM to have those ups and downs. Jose prefers Oscar playing at a 7-8 all games than Mata being the wizzard that he is at times but horrible (as in the Confederations Cup and UCL 2012 Semis and Final) at others.

There is no doubt Mata is the better overall attacking player, but there is also no doubt Oscar is the best for the team!

[Rmpr 8,977]

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Last time I checked, Diego Lopez was a better goalkeeper than Casillas!

[NishC300 1,865]

Last time I checked, Diego Lopez was a better goalkeeper than Casillas!

Yup, he is currently. So Mourinho was correct in that aspect.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Oooh, I completely forgot to answer the thread...

Best #10, Juan Mata.

Best #10 for Chelsea, Oscar.

[Fernando 6,453]

Well I think the results speak for themselves don't they?

We have looked shit without Mata.

I can't fathom why a top manager would not like him as his main man as well.

It's as if Real Madrid has completely destroy Mourinho from the great man he used to be. Just like Real Madrid has destroyed the career of many great players.

[Clevemayer 764]

In ALL your faces

[Fernando 6,453]

In ALL your faces

Yeah I see now.

What really has changed is the high pressing game which was more better.

I see that Oscar is able to sit back and help with the high pressing game where as to Mata he could not do it.

But in terms of creativity Mata is still top. However Oscar is more rounded for all type of games.

In games where we really need to boss the opposition I think Mata will come good. But in more tactical games Oscar seems to be number one.

[Clevemayer 764]

Yeah I see now.

What really has changed is the high pressing game which was more better.

I see that Oscar is able to sit back and help with the high pressing game where as to Mata he could not do it.

But in terms of creativity Mata is still top. However Oscar is more rounded for all type of games.

In games where we really need to boss the opposition I think Mata will come good. But in more tactical games Oscar seems to be number one.

Exactly I say he should be our CM thread next to mikel i am with you

[Fernando 6,453]

Exactly I say he should be our CM thread next to mikel i am with you

Wait what?

I thought we where discussing for number 10?

CM next to Mikel is another role right?

[Clevemayer 764]

Wait what?

I thought we where discussing for number 10?

CM next to Mikel is another role right?

Read my previous points mate

[Fernando 6,453]

Read my previous points mate

Oh okay I see.

I'm fact it looks like Mourinho is thinking just like that. I remember when we used to say if Oscar can play in double pivot?

Well I think that is what Mourinho will push for eventually.

Oscar would be like the xavi alonso playing in the mid helping out the dm but also adding creativity.

And mata our main 10.

I think Mourinho wants mata to be a bit more aggressive like Oscar so he can help us when we need to press in the high line.

[meetdoscar 335]

first of all, it was to show YOUR BIAS towards a player. it was to show your pre-judice.

now lets take the all of your post into consideretion

tell me when did the national team become the criteria to select our players for club football. i mean does mikel play as a cam/cm for chelsea like he does for nigeria. if rambo conviniently dropped out of the squad like he is for brazil. no he is our first name on the team-sheet, ahead of cech, jt, oscar, mata, hazard, because we look pathetic in mid without him. let me give u a clear idea. players play 10 matches a year at an average for their nations while they play 60 for their clubs. they spend 40 weeks out of 52 with their clubs while just the remaining 12 with the NT. its the club performances that normally defines a player. not his NT performances/position.

then u say that if people only care about mata, then they will slag mou and oscar but so conviniently defend them with the youth argument, completely neglecting what our results and performances have been so far.

lastly, as i said in my previous post. CFC is not about oscar's development, its about the right results and right balance. if it means chucking out mata on the bench would give us the right result then i am 100% in but when right now things are not looking so rosy and ideal, hence we should be thinking of doing what i best for the team not for oscar.

To be a chelsea first team player you obviously have to be of the quality to represent your national side but again you don't know much mourinho does and said oscar will be his no. 10 part of the reason he gave is that oscar plays as a no.10 for the most prestigious national team in football and with also a team with the most talented No.10's

Secondly I said to show bias in favor of mata will only be credible if the oscar/jose project fail by dec/jan that's not hard to understand is it as so far it isn't a failure.

It is definitely not about oscars development alone but i use oscar to represent the younger players you also have van ginkel, kdb, schurrle and co. If any of them plays better or is in more form than an older experienced player I expect them to be picked just like oscar over mata. I can't always write everything in detail else I write a book.

[didierforever 7,349]

To be a chelsea first team player you obviously have to be of the quality to represent your national side but again you don't know much mourinho does and said oscar will be his no. 10 part of the reason he gave is that oscar plays as a no.10 for the most prestigious national team in football and with also a team with the most talented No.10's

Secondly I said to show bias in favor of mata will only be credible if the oscar/jose project fail by dec/jan that's not hard to understand is it as so far it isn't a failure.

It is definitely not about oscars development alone but i use oscar to represent the younger players you also have van ginkel, kdb, schurrle and co. If any of them plays better or is in more form than an older experienced player I expect them to be picked just like oscar over mata. I can't always write everything in detail else I write a book.

out of 6 players for the am position, 4 are 22 and below oscar, hazard, kdb, schurlle, the rest are 25 willian and mata. so even if willian and mata both play atleast one of the "youth" will be playing. that argument itself is invalid. these are players who are proven at different levels. each of them has already played a part in their NT, in their clubs' success all over europe. even kdb played for genk in CL before coming to chelsea, hazard at lille, mata at valencia, schurlle with leverkusen. "youth" argument would be most apt if some1 like mvg, ake make thru to the team and are played.

oscar is already a proven player as is mata and even more complete than mata. mou is not choosing oscar to develop him and all that jazz, he is choosing oscar cos he wants a team with defensive organization, discipline, workrate as well with their creativity.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Lol how do you know how Mourinho wants us to look like when we are defending? there really isn't no difference. its the same formation yeah, the tactics are all the same. the wingers track back to make it look like the 4-4-1-1. you're just putting players in a different position (further up/further down), when on the pitch its always going to transform to the 4-4-1-1

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now listen from minute 6:15 for proof

[zolayes 14,489]

for me we have Oscar with Juan as his back up.. watch this seasons games and watch only Oscar ,,,he is phenomenal

[Korea 734]

As I said 6 months ago, Oscar will be chelsea's best player.

[didierforever 7,349]

after listening to jose talk today, i can say this,HE LL BE BACK!!!

[Term-X 7,891]

Oscar is our number 10, he's Brazil's number 10, he will not be moving into the pivot. We really need to clamp down on this attitude of 'when he gets pushed into the pivot', which a few members have been regurgitating. It's as if this forum hasn't seen the interviews, ffs.. especially the one above.