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True. 4-3-3 is just a 4-2-3-1 with an inverted triangle in the middle.

That depends a lot on how and with what you are making your comparisson. Not all 4-3-3s look the same and not all 4-2-3-1s look the same as well...

For instance, Bayern's variation of 4-2-3-1 is very similar to what Wenger does at Arsenal (not comparing the quality here), but at the same time it is very different than our 04-07 team with Mourinho. It is not only about the disposition of the player on the pitch, it is also about their roles and how the team plays collectively.

There is also Barcelona's 4-3-3, which is different than any other 4-3-3 aproached we had ever seen and it actually looks more a 3-4-3 to me. Which is something that is clearly in a very opposite direction than our aimed 4-2-3-1. The whole idea and plan of game is different.

I could give more examples and really develop in the subject, but that is not what the thread is for. I only wanted to show that formations have a lot more to it than numbers and schemes, it has a whole mentality attached to it and that is what makes one very different from the other. Playing 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 indeed impacts on one' performance, so I dont think it is as easy as you are making...

Chelsea and Mourinho are trying to implement a new mentality and style of play and it will obviously have its ups and downs as things take time to adjust. However, if we keep changing formations and aproaches after every loss, things will get stagnated and we will not get sny better!

EDIT: However, there are some formations that are just stupid and in the end are the same bullshit as the classics though (4-2-2 is just a 'modern' 4-4-2, 4-5-1 is a defensive 4-2-3-1, etc). I think I had a conversation with Strike about this a couple of months ago.

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It's really not that simple. Formations aren't static things, but that's really not a discussion for this place.

In this case, it really is. Changing from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 only changes a little the dynamics of the middle three and affects none of the other 8 players. In fact we've already changed from 4-2-3-1 a couple of times this season in mid-game. But have it your way.

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Perhaps, we might see BA starting tonight.

It would be his monumental chance, I feel.

It must be hard for him, disallowed to join Arsenal, most likely makes only a half of Torres´ 10. 8m a year, if that.

He's a good striker hasn't been given enough games to find his form with the club.

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That depends a lot on how and with what you are making your comparisson. Not all 4-3-3s look the same and not all 4-2-3-1s look the same as well...

For instance, Bayern's variation of 4-2-3-1 is very similar to what Wenger does at Arsenal (not comparing the quality here), but at the same time it is very different than our 04-07 team with Mourinho. It is not only about the disposition of the player on the pitch, it is also about their roles and how the team plays collectively.

There is also Barcelona's 4-3-3, which is different than any other 4-3-3 aproached we had ever seen and it actually looks more a 3-4-3 to me. Which is something that is clearly in a very opposite direction than our aimed 4-2-3-1. The whole idea and plan of game is different.

I could give more examples and really develop in the subject, but that is not what the thread is for. I only wanted to show that formations have a lot more to it than numbers and schemes, it has a whole mentality attached to it and that is what makes one very different from the other. Playing 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 indeed impacts on one' performance, so I dont think it is as easy as you are making...

Chelsea and Mourinho are trying to implement a new mentality and style of play and it will obviously have its ups and downs as things take time to adjust. However, if we keep changing formations and aproaches after every loss, things will get stagnated and we will not get sny better!

EDIT: However, there are some formations that are just stupid and in the end are the same bullshit as the classics though (4-2-2 is just a 'modern' 4-4-2, 4-5-1 is a defensive 4-2-3-1, etc). I think I had a conversation with Strike about this a couple of months ago.

Completely agree. In fact I was making the same exact point the other day in the Mikel thread when Kojo said that Mikel would never fit in 4-2-3-1. But I was talking about our team in particular changing from 4-2-3-1 to the 4-3-3 that Spike posted because obviously you would expect that if we were to make such change, player roles won't change and the over all offensive and defensive system won't either. It would just alter a little the jobs of the three in central midfielders.

In fact you can play a 4-3-3 without inverting the triangle and having, for example:

Ramires-Mikel

Oscar

And this will be exactly as playing a 4-2-3-1 with Oscar in the number 10 role but just under different naming.

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In this case, it really is. Changing from 4-2-3-1 to 4-3-3 only changes a little the dynamics of the middle three and affects none of the other 8 players. In fact we've already changed from 4-2-3-1 a couple of times this season in mid-game. But have it your way.

Not true in the slightest I'm afraid, and that's without referring to what kind of 433 or 4231 you're talking about or even the personnel you're using. Again, formations are complex things and what is a 433 in attack becomes a 451 in defence, whereas when we played 4231 under Benitez it would often become a 442 in defence.

That's not 'my way' but just football.

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The good thing for Torres, Ba and Eto'o is that the starting spot is up for grabs, it's up to whoever takes their chance first. Think Ba gets the start tonight and scores.

Something like:

Cech

Ivan Luiz Terry Cole

Lampard v. Ginkel

KdB Oscar Hazard

Ba

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There is one but I don't feel like paying for the subscription.

Anyways, I'll just follow the match on twitter

I use the score and score center by ESPN for my iPhone, no subscriptions no fees.

What application are u talk about I show live matches or just live score

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What application are u talk about I show live matches or just live score

Live score and written play by play commentary

Just follow the TalkChelsea twitter account. We usually do a min-by-min twitter feed. I'm doing the one tonight.

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