Willian

[communicate 2,703]

2 hours ago, LAM09 said:

A striker's job is to score, first and foremost, whilst much more is expected from a winger.

 

Not really, it all depend on your personel and system. You have striker like firmino and a while ago benzema who score maybe just 10 goals a season 

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

Who was a better right winger than Willian ?
Zappacosta ? Moses ?

 

Stats in the PL :

Willian 204 games 29 goals 

Pedro 129 games 28 goals 

So in the last couple of seasons Pedro was our best right winger. And before Kalou gave us much more than Willian overall. But that's not a point. We needed to upgrade on both Willian and Pedro for about 3 years now. 

 

[1905didierblue 748]

49 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

Stats in the PL :

Willian 204 games 29 goals 

Pedro 129 games 28 goals 

So in the last couple of seasons Pedro was our best right winger. And before Kalou gave us much more than Willian overall. But that's not a point. We needed to upgrade on both Willian and Pedro for about 3 years now. 

 

Goal return is only ONE of the things to look at while comparing. Willian was a far far better fit in our system. With Hazard we needed an industrious right winger/right midfielder, which fit willian perfectly. 

[Jase 43,479]

This justification about Willian being in the XI is entering the 'Oscar is in the XI to provide balance' territory...

[Tomo 21,751]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

This justification about Willian being in the XI is entering the 'Oscar is in the XI to provide balance' territory...

And equally, the excuses and reasoning for bashing him for any little thing is entering the Rafa terrority.

[Jase 43,479]

11 minutes ago, Tomo said:

And equally, the excuses and reasoning for bashing him for any little thing is entering the Rafa terrority.

It's only a very small amount of people, at least on here. Hardly as big as you're making it out to be. 

[communicate 2,703]

37 minutes ago, Jason said:

This justification about Willian being in the XI is entering the 'Oscar is in the XI to provide balance' territory...

Yet both cases were true. Do you realize we won the league with Fabregas in double pivot and Hazard. Two player who are atrocious defensively 

[Jase 43,479]

2 hours ago, communicate said:

Yet both cases were true. Do you realize we won the league with Fabregas in double pivot and Hazard. Two player who are atrocious defensively 

Don't I know it. But there was Azpi playing at LB to cover Hazard and Matic - before he went downhill in 2015/16 - to protect Fabregas and not to mention, we were playing in a more defensive system back then under Mourinho, especially when he decided to shut up shop after December 2014. 

[LAM09 7,043]

Not really, it all depend on your personel and system. You have striker like firmino and a while ago benzema who score maybe just 10 goals a season 

Firmino scored 16 goals in all comps last season & he's playing alongside the two best wingers ATM.

There's obviously the odd exception, but please don't compare that to what we have.

[communicate 2,703]

11 minutes ago, Jason said:

Don't I know it. But there was Azpi playing at LB to cover Hazard and Matic - before he went downhill in 2015/16 - to protect Fabregas and not to mention, we were playing in a more defensive system back then under Mourinho, especially when he decided to shut up shop after December 2014. 

Both Azpi and Oscar to cover Cesc and Hazard. Once Cesc go forward he simply cannot go back so Oscar cannot play like no 10 who just bomb forward.

In a perfect world, you want your striker to score goals, your winger to create and score and help your fb, your midfield to create and defend central area, your defender to defend but depending on what you have, you need to adjust. 

 

 

 

[Styl1994 188]

Willian being solid for us this season but I think that this should be his final season and all parties should move on in the summer.

[Jase 43,479]

 

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

It's Willian... He knows being free agent will get him huge salary in the next club plus big bonus for just signing. After all he played for Anzhi. 

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

16 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Goal return is only ONE of the things to look at while comparing. Willian was a far far better fit in our system. With Hazard we needed an industrious right winger/right midfielder, which fit willian perfectly. 

I disagree. Willian and Hazard both like to keep the ball for to long so for me they are not a dynamic duo. 

[1905didierblue 748]

2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

I disagree. Willian and Hazard both like to keep the ball for to long so for me they are not a dynamic duo. 

Every manager has chosen willian as their right winger. So either they are all frauds, or a lot of fans here don't understand the game as well as they think they do. 

I know what I think is right.