kc_blue 265 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Unionjack said: I would dearly love if we had a system where the scouts,DOF,manager had regular ,meetings and they all got on the same page to choose who,where,why we want new lads. I dont see it happening any time soon tho This seems like such an obvious set up. Keeps everyone on the same page and pulling in the right direction.  Vybz Kartel and Unionjack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Vesper said: Potential to me is not the next couple games its the longer term and Willian will be 31yo next summer he will soon start to slide downhill, in 2 years or so be a shell of what he is now (which is pretty shit in my book) I just want him gone for fair value We can have these philosophical convos on here all we want but week in, week out, I turn on telly and see him fuck up (with a lot of help from others, he is not the sole issue) the team it is hard to deal with football lately, bad football, and he and the fullbacks and shit strikers are to blame mostly there is no way I can take another 2 and half years of him as one of our starting wingers, zero chance same goes for Alonso I draw the line on those 2 I see what you mean, and in the way you mean it, I agree with you. I don't think that's the sense in which Maurizio meant it however, and it's not the way I meant it either. I, and Maurizio I think, meant it in terms of Willian's peak performance level, you mean it in the sense that his peak level can improve, that he can become better than he's ever been. I say again that I 100% agree with your position on that. In terms of his existing peak however Willian is below, way below, what we've seen from him at his best. I for one would dance in the streets if we regularly saw from Willian what we saw from him against Barca. Indeed we wouldn't be having this conversation about him. We'd either be unhappy that the club did not resist an even bigger offer from Barca, or we'd be worrying about how long Willian could maintain his level and fretting about how we were going to replace him when the time came. Whether Willian will ever recapture that form can be debated, but I think it's reasonable for the manager to allude to that level of expectation when talking about his potential. Sideshow Luiz, Costa19 and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Unionjack said: Do you really think that Sarri talks in such a subtle way? And that his lines are so wide for you too read so much between them? Sarri strikes me very much as a meat and 2 veg kinda straight talking guy. He may lean on the side of caution when talking in interviews anout transfers of players not our own but I think that Willian is one of the 1st names on his team sheet and he really doesn't want to lose him sadly. Yes, I do think Maurizio speaks in a considered way. All intelligent people in positions of authority do. As to whether he wants to keep Willian I think that's about options. Until the club gets him a suitable alternative I think he'd rather retain Willian, and try to coax good performances out of him. While it is the case that Maurizio has said lately that he now sees CHO as a useable option, previously the manager has looked at his squad and selected Willian ahead of others. No matter what the buzz on social media thinks about it, that must mean Maurizio has preferred Willian to other choices. He's entitled to back his own judgement and, if asked to give up one of his preferred options without acquiring a replacement, any manager is going to resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Vybzkartel said: Kevin Durant, NBA player Thank you. I've never heard of him, but then I've never taken an interest in the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper 30,195 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said: I see what you mean, and in the way you mean it, I agree with you. I don't think that's the sense in which Maurizio meant it however, and it's not the way I meant it either. I, and Maurizio I think, meant it in terms of Willian's peak performance level, you mean it in the sense that his peak level can improve, that he can become better than he's ever been. I say again that I 100% agree with your position on that. In terms of his existing peak however Willian is below, way below, what we've seen from him at his best. I for one would dance in the streets if we regularly saw from Willian what we saw from him against Barca. Indeed we wouldn't be having this conversation about him. We'd either be unhappy that the club did not resist an even bigger offer from Barca, or we'd be worrying about how long Willian could maintain his level and fretting about how we were going to replace him when the time came. Whether Willian will ever recapture that form can be debated, but I think it's reasonable for the manager to allude to that level of expectation when talking about his potential. I agree with this summation, I just hope (for all our sakes) he can crank it up for the next 6 months, if not longer. Most evidence seems to point to this not happening. Let us hope I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6584075/Barcelona-target-Willian-contributed-no-goals-ONE-assist-10-Premier-League-games.htmlSent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 14 hours ago, Vesper said: I know you are not saying that about me I have not yet said 'stupid board' as I am sure the cash was really low now, if I see we turned down £20m or more plus Malcom I cannot promise I will at that point hold my tongue, lol If I see that reported, and if I believe it to be true, then I'd like the offer to be accepted for sure. If it isn't then I'd be keen to know why. I am however always open to the reality that the club have more information than I do, and to the possibility that if I knew what they did, I might just agree with them. Vesper and Sideshow Luiz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 ....Please.Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk kc_blue, Sideshow Luiz and Vesper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 ^^ Don't know who Graeme Baily is but, if that's the club's position, then it makes perfect sense to me. xPetrCechx and Vesper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Vesper said: I agree with this summation, I just hope (for all our sakes) he can crank it up for the next 6 months, if not longer. Most evidence seems to point to this not happening. Let us hope I am wrong. Sad truth is I don't think you're wrong, and neither do you. Vesper and kc_blue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 ^^ Don't know who Graeme Baily is but, if that's the club's position, then it makes perfect sense to me.This:Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,076 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, xPetrCechx said: This: Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk  Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superblue 6,372 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I'd personally love Chelsea to take the lead in any potential negotiations and make an offer for Coutinho that included Willian in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
!Hazard! 3,394 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Sell him! RLC can act as the 4th winger for the rest of the season. If we buy Paredes/Barella then that will add extra depth to midfield in case RLC is playing out wide. More importantly, this would give CHO a proper opportunity to establish himself as a starting XI player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 13 hours ago, Unionjack said: I do hope he has but not knowing we bought Pully makes me feel dubious buddy. But I dont expect much more out of our board TBH. I remember when Mou came back and there was the reports of the details in his contract stating he would have no powers what so ever in players coming or going.. We might as well castrate all managers, tie their hands behind them and change their title o coach. I would dearly love if we had a system where the scouts,DOF,manager had regular ,meetings and they all got on the same page to choose who,where,why we want new lads. I dont see it happening any time soon tho Most if not all clubs have the final say on transfers above the managers these days, the romance of managers having total control left with Fergie. As-long as players that are compatible to the manager's style of play and of the required quality are signed, i don't see the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unionjack 7,531 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tomo said: Most if not all clubs have the final say on transfers above the managers these days, the romance of managers having total control left with Fergie. As-long as players that are compatible to the manager's style of play and of the required quality are signed, i don't see the problem. Problem comes when the board and manager disagree on the quality of said player and he spends his time on his arse warming the bench. There needs to be a neeting of minds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Dogshit. Should have been sold a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Juan 28,141 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Stealing a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan 17,958 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 We should have kept Conte until the end of August. It was Conte who was ready to actually get rid off him. He saw it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Mikel OBE 4,920 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, milan.cech said: We should have kept Conte until the end of August. It was Conte who was ready to actually get rid off him. He saw it. conte also got rid of the last good striker we had. put us in this mess with Morata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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