Pizy 18,918 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Van GinkelChalobahLoftus-CheekColkettBogaSwiftAkeBakerAre any of them other than MvG even close to ready to step into one of Europe's biggest and best teams? Honestly. You really think these teenagers are ready to regularly play in the best league in the world? I can say right now with confidence that if our only real noteworthy addition going into next season is up top well still fall short of the title. We aren't winning the league with that headless chicken Ramires as an every match starter. We NEED an upgrade in midfield. Not 18 year old unproven kids. Top class, ready now, immediate impact player who can slot in and be an instant upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 If this is the case, then there's no need to get rid of players like Cole. Fact is that Chelsea is no longer going that route. If we can't keep some of our oldies, the fuck we doing looking for another oldie? We don't know the full circumstances re Cole. If his departure was beyond our control then we need experience to fill the void.Lamps and Cole go this year, Cech and JT next (hypothetically) all off a sudden we only have Ivanovic and to an extent Cahill as the experienced senior pro's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Only makes sense if we're losing Mikel AND Ramires to be honest because he just seems like he's coming for depth. If that's the case then I definitely cosign the calls for Chalobah to come do that same role. This doesn't make sense unless it's a rolling contract.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 We don't know the full circumstances re Cole. If his departure was beyond our control then we need experience to fill the void.Lamps and Cole go this year, Cech and JT next (hypothetically) all off a sudden we only have Ivanovic and to an extent Cahill as the experienced senior pro's.If Lamps go this year, then why get this guy? Shouldn't we just keep Lamps who can do a good job on rotational basis, if that's what we are getting Tiago for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miki-Liki 405 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 You really think these teenagers are ready to regularly play in the best league in the world?You really thing that this guy is going to play regularly? A pointless move... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 Are any of them other than MvG even close to ready to step into one of Europe's biggest and best teams? Honestly.You really think these teenagers are ready to regularly play in the best league in the world?I can say right now with confidence that if our only real noteworthy addition going into next season is up top well still fall short of the title. We aren't winning the league with that headless chicken Ramires as an every match starter. We NEED an upgrade in midfield. Not 18 year old unproven kids. Top class, ready now, immediate impact player who can slot in and be an instant upgrade.I honestly don't think we need to spend massively in midfield this summer. Why not actually give our youngsters a chance to develop rather than signing a player for £30 million?The fact that one of the guys people want to buy is Pogba, a guy who left United because he wasn't getting chances just strikes me as odd. Instead of splurging on a player to player 40 games a season why not let Tiago play 20-odd games and give the rest to the yougsters? We were only 4 points off the title with Ramires and no striker last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 If Lamps go this year, then why get this guy? Shouldn't we just keep Lamps who can do a good job on rotational basis, if that's what we are getting Tiago for?Because like with Cole, Lamps might go for reasons beyond our control. Also Mou might think Thiago in this current day is more energetic and fits the system better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,918 Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 I honestly don't think we need to spend massively in midfield this summer. Why not actually give our youngsters a chance to develop rather than signing a player for £30 million?The fact that one of the guys people want to buy is Pogba, a guy who left United because he wasn't getting chances just strikes me as odd. Instead of splurging on a player to player 40 games a season why not let Tiago play 20-odd games and give the rest to the yougsters? We were only 4 points off the title with Ramires and no striker last year.United, Arse, and Liverpool will all likely invest heavily and improve and City will be formidable as usual. I think next season will be even more challenging than this past one was. Signing Tiago and letting some young players in the team won't help us achieve our goals. Maybe if we win the league then the following season we can start bringing the young guys through when the manager has a bit more leeway. José will be under massive pressure to deliver this season and I honestly think if he doesn't bring home a major piece of silverware he could be sacked. When you're under that kind of pressure can you really risk playing the kids? We'd still have the exact same frustrating and infuriating issues we've had for a couple of years now. The new striker may get a few more goals than Torres, but we'd have very little creativity in midfield and our buildup play would be tedious and labored. We need a pace setting creative player in midfield and it would be a huge mistake not to bring one in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Lol at Tiago being just barely good enough to be a benchwarmer for us while he was good enough to start a CL final vs the team that knocked us out of the CL. It's a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Would be a good signing as a squad player who plays 15-20 games as opposed to a 17, 18 or 19 year old who needs to be playing week in week out to develop in a team which isn't fighting for a PL title or a possibly CL trophy. I mean Chalobah is a great talent but he was in and out of the Middlesbrough team, McEachran was in and out of the Wigan team, Loftus-Cheek is probably better of playing u21s football again this season as is Ake or he'd possibly be better off going on loan somewhere. Yeah its good to give youth a chance but are Chalobah, Ake, McEachran at that sort of standard yet? No. Marco van Ginkel is also returning to match fitness and will give us a chance to see what hes made of, hes played over 100 games for Vitesse, looked promising in pre-season and if he had been fit he'd probably have been included in Holland's World Cup squad as they rate him very highly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilander 35 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Will they reunion in Chelsea in the next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 United, Arse, and Liverpool will all likely invest heavily and improve and City will be formidable as usual. I think next season will be even more challenging than this past one was.Signing Tiago and letting some young players in the team won't help us achieve our goals. Maybe if we win the league then the following season we can start bringing the young guys through when the manager has a bit more leeway. José will be under massive pressure to deliver this season and I honestly think if he doesn't bring home a major piece of silverware he could be sacked. When you're under that kind of pressure can you really risk playing the kids?We'd still have the exact same frustrating and infuriating issues we've had for a couple of years now. The new striker may get a few more goals than Torres, but we'd have very little creativity in midfield and our buildup play would be tedious and labored. We need a pace setting creative player in midfield and it would be a huge mistake not to bring one in.Call me naive, but I really don't think Mourinho is under massive pressure to deliver. Chelsea have now won everything there is to win (well, with the exception of the Club World Cup) under Roman Abramovich so I actually think Mourinho has the leeway that you believe he'd be granted if we won something. Sure, he hasn't won the European ones with us but he also really doesn't have anything to prove. I'm sure his objectives were that, and they always will be, but the hierarchy won't be entirely upset with this season.. We got to the semi-finals of the CL, we were in the title race till week 37 (which was a feat within itself with our squad). I'm not entirely dismissive of the fact we have to continue to mount a good title challenge and be in there again till week 38 and European aspirations will always be the objective.. But Mourinho would not have come back if he hadn't made a series of reality checks to the board. If it's true they want expansive football then he would've told them that you can't just do that overnight (as our managerial history has shown). And the board aren't naive. You look at the way Mou talks about Oscar, Matic, Hazard and Salah "the future of Chelsea", so he/they do want the young players in. They probably do want to therefore use the academy players.No-one is saying use Feruz/Bamford to lead the line, nor are they saying use Kalas-Zouma as our #1 CB partnership. But does it really do damage to have Chalobah alongside Matic? Nat's proved he can do it at Championship level and obviously it would be a learning curve, but he's protected by having Matic next to him and JT/Cahill behind him.. In the grand context of the squad it's not a dangerous place to play someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeboii 1,844 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Call me naive, but I really don't think Mourinho is under massive pressure to deliver. Chelsea have now won everything there is to win (well, with the exception of the Club World Cup) under Roman Abramovich so I actually think Mourinho has the leeway that you believe he'd be granted if we won something. Sure, he hasn't won the European ones with us but he also really doesn't have anything to prove. I'm sure his objectives were that, and they always will be, but the hierarchy won't be entirely upset with this season.. We got to the semi-finals of the CL, we were in the title race till week 37 (which was a feat within itself with our squad). I'm not entirely dismissive of the fact we have to continue to mount a good title challenge and be in there again till week 38 and European aspirations will always be the objective.. But Mourinho would not have come back if he hadn't made a series of reality checks to the board. If it's true they want expansive football then he would've told them that you can't just do that overnight (as our managerial history has shown). And the board aren't naive. You look at the way Mou talks about Oscar, Matic, Hazard and Salah "the future of Chelsea", so he/they do want the young players in. They probably do want to therefore use the academy players.No-one is saying use Feruz/Bamford to lead the line, nor are they saying use Kalas-Zouma as our #1 CB partnership. But does it really do damage to have Chalobah alongside Matic? Nat's proved he can do it at Championship level and obviously it would be a learning curve, but he's protected by having Matic next to him and JT/Cahill behind him.. In the grand context of the squad it's not a dangerous place to play someone.And I think he wouldn't really do that worse of a job then Ramires or Lampard. Van Ginkel is probably going to be great though so he will get that place in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 And I think he wouldn't really do that worse of a job then Ramires or Lampard. Van Ginkel is probably going to be great though so he will get that place in my opinion.Yep, Van Ginkel should have a future with us. Sure they're not proven world beaters, but Tiago isn't exactly one either.. He's in good form and he's out of contract, yeah it's not a massive hit on finances but it's an unnecessary signing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Come to think it again, I think this isn't a very bad signing, but only if Lampard gonna be released. Don't think we need Tiago and Lampard in the same squad at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Lol at Tiago being just barely good enough to be a benchwarmer for us while he was good enough to start a CL final vs the team that knocked us out of the CL. It's a good signing.Yes, but with his age now certainly he is not fit enough to play in top form weeks in weeks out. So if he join Chelsea, most likely he will do "Lampard" for us next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Some people are honestly under rating him due to his age. At 33, he still possess abilities as a central midfielder Mikel and Ramires could only dream of having. Quick passing while under pressure and plays it simple. His elegance on the ball whilst in possession may not be up to per say Busquet's level, but he understands the game beautifully and with his experience he could be a major asset for our midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee25 1,044 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 Call me naive, but I really don't think Mourinho is under massive pressure to deliver. Chelsea have now won everything there is to win (well, with the exception of the Club World Cup) under Roman Abramovich so I actually think Mourinho has the leeway that you believe he'd be granted if we won something. Sure, he hasn't won the European ones with us but he also really doesn't have anything to prove. I'm sure his objectives were that, and they always will be, but the hierarchy won't be entirely upset with this season.. We got to the semi-finals of the CL, we were in the title race till week 37 (which was a feat within itself with our squad). I don't think that's entirely true.But for the sake of argument let's assume he's not under 'massive pressure' from the Chelsea hierarchy. Where infact I think the pressure will most likely come from is Mourinho himself. I can't imagine for one second that he would go a third season without being desperate for some silverware. I actually seriously fear what another trophy-less season would do to him because despite what he says about building a team for the future, everything we've heard about Mourinho from those who've worked with him indicate that this is a man that lives to win. RLC and Baker are all a few years away from being ready.But Chalobah is a harder case, loaning him to another Championship club would stagnate his development in my opinion. There's nothing more a loan at that level can do for him. He needs to be challenged at a higher level for him to keep progressing, but at the same time it's a big risk for Mourinho to promote him to the first team next season, and I can see him deciding to take a punt with Van Ginkel rather than Chalobah. Really the time to have promoted Nat was last season, when we had weaker options and when there were less expectations on Mourinho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,538 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 With Frank seemingly on the way out he'll be a good player to help ease the young midfielders into the line up.e.g Van Ginkel,Chalobah etc....would be a good signing to help our youth,whilst still giving us better than what Frank can do now for the next year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannyfreshh 164 Posted May 28, 2014 Share Posted May 28, 2014 What could have been. This is the only player I feel regret for selling too early. He was young too, only 23... [/quote What a beautiful goal by Sarah Silverman... Jk. Amazing shot .. After the game vs atletico at home the way he reacted towards our players.. Especially JT.. You could tell he cared about our club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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