Fernando Torres

[Tortilla9 390]

I'd have sent her to bed without dinner and taken the three shirts back. What's her size by the way? I can PM you my address.

Adult small work for you?

We have Torres shirts from Atletico she got when she went to Spain on a school trip. My daughter said the affection and love they still have for Torres is so genuine.

We have Torres shirts from the Spanish NT in red and blue. After they won the WC she wanted the new one with the star. I had to finally say no to that.

We HAD Torres shirts from Liverpool. I was going to keep them even after the stupid scousers started burning his shirt. Once the media/Liverpool attack on Torres started I had to get rid of them. My daughter's friend was going on a mission with her Church to an orphanage in Mexico so we donated the shirts to them. Her friend said the shirts were a huge hit.

That said, I still can't believe the brat had the nerve to get on the bus even for a few matches.

[Tortilla9 390]

Going back to the game - did you notice Torres seems to be wearing the shirt and shorts looser? In my expert analysis I've decided that was one of the key factors.

Seriously, what is in the goal scoring water this week? Villa scored. Torres scored. Dzeko scored. Sure most of you don't care, but Donovan scored in MLS. But we all know nobody took as much flack as Torres. Even my bratty daughter wanted to know why everybody hated Torres so much.

[ElNinoSemper 18]

Going back to the game - did you notice Torres seems to be wearing the shirt and shorts looser? In my expert analysis I've decided that was one of the key factors.

Seriously, what is in the goal scoring water this week? Villa scored. Torres scored. Dzeko scored. Sure most of you don't care, but Donovan scored in MLS. But we all know nobody took as much flack as Torres. Even my bratty daughter wanted to know why everybody hated Torres so much.

That's the million dollar question isn't it? There was a glut of strikers having a barren run at the same time Fernando was, but nary a peep was heard about them. One ESPN columnist wrote an article a few days back bemoaning the fact that he couldn't rag on Torres anymore. And how much he'd enjoyed doing it before his goal on Saturday. Something to do with putting the arrogant Torres in his place. Fernando, arrogant? Don't see it myself.

[spuz 143]

I blame the rain sodden pitch. If the pitch wasn't drenched then Nando's first touch would have seen the ball get away from him.

Glad it chucked it down.

[Tortilla9 390]

<br />One ESPN columnist wrote an article a few days back bemoaning the fact that he couldn't rag on Torres anymore. And how much he'd enjoyed doing it before his goal on Saturday. Something to do with putting the arrogant Torres in his place. Fernando, arrogant? Don't see it myself.<br /><br /><br />

I think it was during the transfer there was some talk about Fernando and the press and the lack of press interviews he did. A lot of Liverpool fans referred to the interview Torres supposedly did with an English paper in December or January (can't remember specifically) stating he was staying in Liverpool. Based on this "interview" they said he was a liar and traitor. According to Torres' confidants he hadn't done a paper interview for several months. Torres didn't come out and deny anything which is his style.

Torres will give interviews to the club and let the club post online, etc. I think he trusts that the club will do what's right.

He'll do more interviews in Spain when on Spanish NT duty. But he doesn't do a lot of sit down interviews with the English press. Some say it was because initially he didn't speak English. Once he did learn English he still wasn't comfortable and the potential for misunderstandings between him or the reporter was there. While his English has come a LONG way, it's still his second language and I think he'd rather not. So because the media can't speak to him (or he won't speak to them), they're against him. Or they're just first class lazy pr*cks.

[dodojojo 510]

I nominate option "pricks".

Gosh there should be a primer about the transfer. There is so much BS and propaganda from that week that is still swirling around and I'm afraid that they will define "the truth".

The first one is this Fake Interview This interview is the one most like to bash Torres with--"he promised to stay and then handed in his transfer request three weeks later!" Except a few on the Liverpool boards did some checking to verify the story and no one could. Even the official Liverpool site wouldn't carry the article because they couldn't confirm its veracity. No one could verify an exclusive interview given by one of the most famous footballers in England. And why the hell would Torres talk to People? He didn't say these things post-game or a press conference where the entire media can report it, no he talked exclusively to People and the story was then repeated by all the other outlets.

And read some of the quotes, as if Torres talks like that in English?

He said: “Morally, it would be enormous to eliminate United at Old Trafford, ­although it will not be easy.”

“Who is culpable for our defeats? The coach and the players but it is possible to change things round.

So having pretty much sussed out the interview as fake, a handful of Liverpool fans posted this info on the boards. Not that it made any difference because you still have morons pointing to this article to justify their righteous anger over Torres' transfer. He said he loved us only weeks before!

David Maddock wrote a scathing article about how Torres wouldn't talk to the English press this season (can you blame him?). And he hasn't. He'll do the post-game chit chats for a minute or two, the team press conferences, etc but I can't remember the last time he did an exclusive interview with an English-based journalist. Just because they write ABOUT him doesn't mean he's talking to them on a one-on-one basis. No coincidence that the most comprehensive article about his transfer was written by Sid Lowe, who is English but resides in Madrid and covers La Liga. He is fluent in Spanish and has interviewed Torres many times before, going back to his Atletico days. The article wasn't an interview but clearly with the perspective and information that Lowe had, he obviously had direct contact with Torres and/or his management.

So, Liverpool fans, if you're pointing to a fake interview to back up your argument, it's pretty lame-o.

Tomorrow, we'll dissect point #2: "Torres only gave us 3 days notice!"

[Tortilla9 390]

Maddock is a first-class bastard who is part of the Merseyside journalistic mafia that can't understand how anybody could leave the embodiment of football heaven. I get fans and their myopic views but a journalist is supposed to at least pretend to be unbiased. There isn't even the pretense of that in Maddock's rants.

This article in February 2011, if you want to call it that, isn't fit to line a bird cage. And he wonders why Torres didn't want to talk to him or any other English press hack. No matter what Maddock thinks or says in this piece of crap, Torres didn't lose the fans until he left Liverpool. Even now you have to wonder if he's lost them because they're so obsessed with saying they're over him, they've moved on, yet they follow his every move.

Maddock proving what an idiot he is wrote this article in September 2010 about Torres. A complete 180 from February 2011.

Too bad Maddock doesn't write about the Spaniards, Torres and Reina, speaking against Hicks and Gillette while the two Merseyside boys, Carragher and Gerrard, were quietly sitting with their thumbs up their..... afraid to say anything.

I can't respect journalists who use their bully pulpit to simply hate a player because they left a club you supposedly report on. I can't respect that as a football fan or an educated adult.

[Tortilla9 390]

Goal!

Goal gif

http://twitter.com/#!/nuevesiempre - has a lot of links for Fernando and other Spanish football related stories, pics

[TomCFC 357]

Will he ever get 90 minutes? He would have scored Kalou's winner and didn't deserved to be subbed off again.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

He hasn't had a full game yet has he?

[ZanSnake 1,211]

He hasn't had a full game yet has he?

I thought he played thw hole game against Man Utd in CL, the first leg :unsure:

[Peace. 4,352]

Will he ever get 90 minutes? He would have scored Kalou's winner and didn't deserved to be subbed off again.

How can you be that sure ? in the first half he missed a 5 yards head-shot...

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I thought he played thw hole game against Man Utd in CL, the first leg :unsure:

Did he? I thought he was subbed off in like the 80th minutes or something?

Edit: You're right

Okay, but a full game in the league?

[dodojojo 510]

How can you be that sure ? in the first half he missed a 5 yards head-shot...

To be fair, that was similar to the riccochet shot that Kalou didn't score from either. Sure he was very close to goal but the header from Drogba was slightly behind him. You could see he fell back trying to get himself behind the ball.

[Ollie 4,400]

I thought he played well yesterday and all this about the 4-4-2 not working was bollocks because we were excellent in the first half hour and the only reason we were losing was due to a long range strike (that Cech shoulda saved) and a bit of bad luck with hitting the bar. We dominated them and Torres' movement was really good.