Fernando Torres

[Special Juan 27,424]

I think between him and rubber bullets they probably will start the Jose out chant.

[lionsden 4,689]

Why does this dog keep barking despite being constantly and deliberately ignored.

[The only place to be 11,313]

Why does this dog keep barking despite being constantly and deliberately ignored.

Why does any dog bark at a little bitch?

Woof!

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

Van persie papered over the midfield problems of Man Utd last season and we are in for a stack reality if you think a striker is the solution to our problems

[The only place to be 11,313]

Van persie papered over the midfield problems of Man Utd last season and we are in for a stack reality if you think a striker is the solution to our problems

That is very true. United didn't solve their underlying problems, whereas we actually seem to be identifying the issues and solving them at a pace that's dependent on when the players are available and when they fit into our budget.

Jose has only been here for 10 months. In Rodgers first season he finished 7th. In his second he could finish higher....why are Liverpool fans able to be patient when you're not?

[lionsden 4,689]

A great striker changes the system around them, he demands the ball and reliefs pressure from midfielders and defenders; he exerts confidence and boosts spirit.

Our issues within the squad are no way as bad as United's issues last year.

Go ahead and give examples. if you are going to make outlandish claims then you must be able to back it up.

great strikers aren't magician or superheroes.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

That is very true. United didn't solve their underlying problems, whereas we actually seem to be identifying the issues and solving them at a pace that's dependent on when the players are available and when they fit into our budget.

Jose has only been here for 10 months. In Rodgers first season he finished 7th. In his second he could finish higher....why are Liverpool fans able to be patient when you're not?

I raised that point not to critisize Mourinho rather some fans seem to think buying a Costa will solve all our problems. I know Torres is terrible but our midfield barely creates chances for our strikers. At least back in 2011 he was missing open goals and chances were aplenty, now we cant say the same. Even Etoo look at most of his goals they are self made. Although hazard has helped him too. Its not a coincedence that both Oscar and Willian have less assists than Hazard between t

[duo11bluecl 207]

Go ahead and give examples. if you are going to make outlandish claims then you must be able to back it up.

great strikers aren't magician or superheroes.

Actually I kinda agree with him, it really is. Sturridge and Suarez are as good examples as you can see. Now they are soon to be highest scoring duo in BPL history apparently. That DEFINITELY had a massive say in their position now. Diego Costa clear example as day, Atletico would be going no where if they had Demba Ba leading the line now.

They aren't magician or superheroes but they can be very important, sometime even making a team from aiming to finish 4th to winning the league.

[ANDRECHO 432]

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[lionsden 4,689]

Actually I kinda agree with him, it really is. Sturridge and Suarez are as good examples as you can see. Now they are soon to be highest scoring duo in BPL history apparently. That DEFINITELY had a massive say in their position now. Diego Costa clear example as day, Atletico would be going no where if they had Demba Ba leading the line now.

They aren't magician or superheroes but they can be very important, sometime even making a team from aiming to finish 4th to winning the league.

You are making a totally different and completely irrelevant point. The question was give examples of great strikers "changing the system around them" not whether great strikers do score goals that helps their team achieve success.

[duo11bluecl 207]

You are making a totally different and completely irrelevant point. The question was give examples of great strikers "changing the system around them" not whether great strikers do score goals that helps their team achieve success.

Tbf they do like we are experiencing, can we play fast counter attacking with a dude whose knee got whatever is kept in it or someone who can't even run past another person, let alone a defender? Getting into goal scoring positions...etc that CHANGES A LOT. LIKE yesterday, Schurrle played meant we virtually had no one up top, effectively playing 4-6-0. Literally did because he was never seen in the box to receive the passes or crosses.

Same with Liverpool, they need pace to play in their system, can they do that with Ba or Torres? Not a chance. I know strikers mean nothing if you have the likes of Damian Duff supporting but sometime they can improve others around them. Jordan Henderson now top 10 mid the league thanks to those 2 ST. Gerrard can now play those holy wood passes even more often because Sturridge always make run, likewise with Sterling.

[lionsden 4,689]

Tbf they do like we are experiencing, can we play fast counter attacking with a dude whose knee got whatever is kept in it or someone who can't even run past another person, let alone a defender? Getting into goal scoring positions...etc that CHANGES A LOT. LIKE yesterday, Schurrle played meant we virtually had no one up top, effectively playing 4-6-0. Literally did because he was never seen in the box to receive the passes or crosses.

Same with Liverpool, they need pace to play in their system, can they do that with Ba or Torres? Not a chance. I know strikers mean nothing if you have the likes of Damian Duff supporting but sometime they can improve others around them. Jordan Henderson now top 10 mid the league thanks to those 2 ST. Gerrard can now play those holy wood passes even more often because Sturridge always make run, likewise with Sterling.

No but that just means that we don't have a striker that suits the current system . that's totally different from one player singlehandedly changing how a team plays. for example, will the purchase of Costa automatically turn us into a team capable of calving open parked defences at will like christmas turkey?. Not imo. It might make us more efficient and hopefully win more games perhaps but wouldn't necessarily alter the dynamic and outlook of the team.

[duo11bluecl 207]

No but that just means that we don't have a striker that suits the current system . that's totally different from one player singlehandedly changing how a team plays. for example, will the purchase of Costa automatically turn us into a team capable of calving open parked defences at will like christmas turkey?. Not imo. It might make us more efficient and hopefully win more games perhaps but wouldn't necessarily alter the dynamic and outlook of the team.

Actually yes indeed, that is EXACTLY why he will be bought. Against Athlect(spelling) last week or Granada, do you know who scored those important goals? Countless times this season too against parked the bus defense. Of course he is not gonna bang it in from 30 yards or whatever, but he will be able to win that header from the corner and score which is what none of our striker have been able to do for God know how long.

Of course he is not gonna change completely so we are not gonna move to tiki taka even if we bought Messi...etc. Actually your last point is spot on, I understand your view now and it is right.

[Polo7 3,496]

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Thats at 1-1. A goal would have completely changed the game.

[lionsden 4,689]

shit player

What was more frustrating than Torres shitness was Ramires unintelligent in the build up. run towards a crowd of players instead of using your run to pull a defender away and create space.

I still can't decide who has a lower football IQ between Ramires, Torres and Luiz.

[Las7 951]

Go ahead and give examples. if you are going to make outlandish claims then you must be able to back it up.

great strikers aren't magician or superheroes.

There is something magical about Messi; Ronaldo; Cronaldo; Henry; Romario; Drogba; Zlatan; Eto'o in their prime

An on form RvP was the difference between mid table squad and title winning one

Suarez and Sturridge have single handedly maintained Liverpools title challenge this season as I've said Liverpool would be midtable or worse if they had our strikers in their place regardless of system.

Zlatan transformed PSG from a team that was in the League 2 to basically walking the Championship in France

You build a team around a great striker, you don't build a team around a shite striker.

[Kinol 337]

Mourinho has reportedly received the green light from Roman Abramovich to offload all four senior strikers. (Mirror)

This is why I love Mourinho

[Tomo 21,733]

Just been thinking, if any other striker off ours the last two decades got the unconditional minutes Torres got for half off last season (before Demba got here), who would actually do worse?