Fernando Torres

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I can hypothetical too.

How do you know Chelsea wouldn't have won those games 5-0 without Torres? Can you prove that? No you can't. Can you prove that someone would not have scored? No. ANd here is another: What if Torres never signed in 2010, what if we won the Premiership and the Champions League with Carlo? What if, what if, what if, I don't give a fuck about what ifs.

I wasn't talking about fucking hypothetical situations was I? I was approaching the game on a purely mathematical basis. I am not here to argue about bullshit what ifs.

You my friend are trying to rationalise something as chaotic and unpredictable as the future by saying things like: "scoring at HT to give a some breathing space was the perfect time to score and virtually ended Newcastle's chances of getting back into the game." Please tell me how you know this. How do you know that Newcastle's chances were ended there? How? How do you know that Newcastle's chances to win the game were ended there? I can continue repeating myself if you so desire. Oh, if I might add you contradict yourself quite well by saying this beforehand: "How do you know if Torres never put us 2-0 up right on HT against Newcastle that they wouldn't have got back into the game and got an equalizer?" You start by questioning me about knowing things I can not possibly know but follow up with a statement you can not prove or disprove, but you seem pretty sure about it's authenticity.

"and had he not scored that goal we never would have got the fourth as their keeper wouldn't have come up to try to score an equalizer." Again how do you know this? How do you know that Chelsea would not have scored four goals? It's entirely possible that 5 goals could have been scored, is it not?

"The only time you can say a goal wasnt important is if your team is 4-0 up and someone scores a 5th and none of his goals have been like that they have all been important and swung all those matches our way." Is this true? I suppose that is why there is no such things as comebacks? Mistake me if I'm wrong but did Newcastle not come from four goals down to tie with Arsenal in the 09/10 season?

Hitherto, I'm was debating statisitcs and maths while you concern yourself with hypothetical scenarios; which have nothing to do with the point I was trying to make.

why are you banging on about being hypothetical? whats that got to do with anything?

its not about being hypothetical! i made my point why Torres's goals were important in those games and gave you a scenario of what could have happened had he not scored when he did! we could have still won those games without him who knows and who cares? I was making the point that goals change games and all of those goals you mentioned changed the game in our favor so saying his goals are not important is just plain stupid! all his goals meant something!

[Tomo 21,733]

Torres is a CL winner Falcao hasnt even played in the competition!

Actually Falcao has played in the CL, in 09/10 and scored the winner against Arsenal, he even played against us.

[Jype 6,398]

All Hail Lord Drogba , It's just me or it has become a sin to say anything that goes against him ?

Apart from 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 , he never scored 20 plus goals in the league . Respect to him but he aint a Legend and all of you would never had given a single fuck to him , if robben had converted that penalty in UEFA final #FACT

Yes, it's just you.

And as for the second part, he was already a legend to every real Chelsea fan (excludes you then) before the CL final. Take away most of his achievements and he is still twice the player Torres has and will ever be. Now fuck off.

[The Skipper 20,593]

of course but i find it funny how its Chelsea fans who keep finding ways to discredit Torres, someone on here went through he trouble of working out how many minutes each player played to show that Torres had played more minutes so his goals mean nothing, thats something i would expect the Liverpool fans to do! so at the end of the season if Torres wins the golden boot (i know it wont happen its just an example) having played 5 more games than RVP and Aguero for example will everyone on here be saying Torres only won the golden boot because he played 5 more games? you bet they will and i bet supporters of other team would say fair play to Torres.

You dont see the Barca fans saying Messi has only outscored Muller because he played more games or took more penalties do you? says it all really how people feel about Torres on here! people would much rather see him not score another goal this season and get sold in the summer than for Torres to suddenly start scoring every week! for me i know Torres is pretty awful but im not going to hate the guy for not being good enough! or blame everything on him like people do on here.

We can look on the flip side and say that you're trying to make Torres look better than what he really is. That's my only gripe with the stats you provided. The Messi argument doesn't correlate with Torres' situation either...

Torres has been frustrating, there's no denying that. It's natural for people to discredit him when he's doing bad - you can't expect people to look at him in a positive light after 2 very unproductive years.

As the main striker of the club like CFC, you get placed a heavy burden on yourself. He's not been good enough. The easy miss against Corinthians in the dying minutes of the game represents his CFC career in a nutshell.

[Tomo 21,733]

There is still some die hard Torres defenders

Encourage him when he is playing yes, but how any one can even begin to defend his performances or attitude at Chelsea is beyond me.

@Backstreet09, respect works both ways, should we respect a player who clearly does not respect us? A player who moaned a day after Munich that we didn't play him ahead of a serial cup final scorer, a player who admitted he didn't care, a player who resorted to use the service excuse himself, a player who sulked when he wasn't chosen to take a pen in Munich (two months after refusing to take one away at Birmingham when we were 2-0 up) a player who walked down the tunnel when he (deservedly) got subbed for a superior striker.

He has the cheek to moan about his role after serving us a year and a half of complete shite "this was not what i expected when i joined" well maybe if he earned the role he was expecting he might have got it.

I don't like him, and it's not because of his displays, i respected and loved Sheva because he knew he was playing bad (but even he was Messi compared to Torres) and done everything in his power to change that. Torres genuinely believes he deserves to be number 1 forward, the guy is fucking deluded.

I have never disliked a Chelsea player before, not even Bogarde, say what you like about him but he still done his part of the contract, turned up to training, kept himself fit and available for selection if he was ever recalled (like Malouda is doing now), would Torres even do that if he was frozen out? judging by his attitude so far i have my severe doubts.

[Billy. 2,742]

i dont even think the guy trys and thats down to the fact that he is our no1 striker he knows he wont lost his place in the team.

i think Torres should be a man a say look Chelsea its not working thank you but can i leave the club

[ja1 1,166]

He didnt had a bad game , apart from that miss , he was constantly making runs and he only got a couple of through balls from Lampard , IMO nobody gave a fuck about passing a through ball when he made runs or was standing open .

Oh dear.

Reading back from the Nords match there's so much, too much I could say to the fanboys who suddenly come out of recluse synonymous with when Torres comes out of his.

[Dion 2,476]

I thought he was performing quite well against Corinthians till the moments he started losing his opportunities. A striker of his caliber has to score goals. As simple as that. I thought he improved his positioning from the beggining of the season to now. I thought he won a lot of aerial balls. But missing golden chances like that one in the last minutes of the match is just unforgivable for any decent striker. He had the ball on his feet, he had plenty of space, he had more than enough time to think what to do, however, his shot went directly to their GK. WTF, I would have scored that. It doesn't matter what he does on the pitch if he doesn't score when he's had plenty of chances. Look at Corinthians' player Danilo moments before their goal. That's the kind of cold calmness I want from a striker. Had it been Torres there, he would have shot directly in the legs of our first defender.

More so than a lack of physical form, Torres is in an horrendous mental state. When he's facing opposing GKs he gets nervous as hell and blows most opportunities.

[LukakutoStamford 779]

I thought he was atrocious against Corinthians. He got ball and it was obvious he would futz around with it and lose it. His positioning was weak and with his giant opportunity he showed no touch/thought and just blasted away right into the keeper.

He's forcing Chelsea to play a 10 v 11 games most of the time as he's invisible. Please refrain from insane comments how he scored multiple goals against vastly inferior teams. That's not what he's paid for ...

[ja1 1,166]

Lol, are people so tired of Torres now there hasn't been the usual backlog of how bad he was?

[ja1 1,166]

Because he was terrible..paticularly second half.

[Styles 9,790]

He was rubbish again but it goes without saying now. I have never seen a player have such a consistently bad first touch, it's unbelievable.

[Hutcho 8,443]

Its not worth the virtual ink...

[xPetrCechx 13,563]

What a Bad Passes,First Touch...

[Pacquiao 1,834]

played crap last 5 games, scores 6 goals!

[LukakutoStamford 779]

Yes, scoring goals is part of a striker's job. However, please notice he is scoring most them against Championship quality teams.

In Torres's "reign" at Chelsea he has appeared in 94 games with 25 goals and 14 assists; however when you look at the numbers you begin to see things a bit more clearly ....

5 Goals 1 Assist v. Genk

2 Goals 2 Assists v. Leicester

2 Assists v. Portsmith

1 Goal 1 Assist v. Wolves

2 Goals v. FC Nords

1 Goal v. Leeds

1 goal v. Monterrey

12 Goals and 4 Assists against championship level teams

3 Goals v. QPR

1 Goal 1 Assist v. Aston Villa

1 Goal v. Swansea

1 Goal v. Reading

1 Goal v. Norwich

2 Goals v. Sudnerland

1 Goal 1 Assist v. West Ham

1 Goal 2 assists v. Newscastle

9 Goals and 2 Assist against mid table PL teams.

1 Goal 1 Assist v. Manchester United

1 Goal v. Manchester City

1 Goal v. Arsenal

3 Goals and 1 assist against top 5 PL clubs

1 Goal v. Barcelona

1 Assist v. Benefica

2 Assists v. Leverkusen

1 Goal v. Shaktar

2 Goals 3 assists against top European competition

[Hutcho 8,443]

played crap last 5 games, scores 6 goals!

Whats your point?

You may as well say played crap 94 games scored 25 goals.

[Miracle 249]

For all those advocating the thought of playing Torres + another striker, he played for 13 hours with Drogba on the pitch, both 4-4-2 and 4-3-3, and he never scored one goal.