The Benitez Thread

[The only place to be 11,313]

the Hazards , Oscar , Moses , Marin , Torres , Bertrand are simply not playing with their hearts ,

Apart from Torres, that is massively fucking unfair.

so, wtf was that sacking and bringing somebody who is on the same level or even below?

I think it's been mentioned before, but here goes.....

Roman never wanted Robbie. Roman wants Pep. He sacked Robbie the first moment he could (which Robbie helped with by getting us knocked out of the CL). He appointed the best candidate available short-term. In Summer he makes a run at Pep.

This season seems to have been about trimming off the big contracts/dead wood and getting young players for next year. I hope it works out.

[Heisenberg 1,824]

let's review the season so far.

we started it with new players coming in. fresh, hungry, inexperienced. everybody said that we needed a new striker. nothing like that happened. we were set for the season and that's when we lost Meireles, Essien and De Bruyne. 3 different players who brought change and depth when needed.

our first game was against City in the Community Shield which we lost thanks to Ivanovic when we were better throughout the whole match. not a biggie. it was a glorified friendly anyway.

we started our Premier League run and by the end of the August were sitting at the top of the table after beating Reading and difficult teams of Newcastle and Wigan. scored 8 goals while losing 2.

it was the time for the Uefa Super Cup. we were bad, underestimated the opponent and got destroyed by something we haven't seen in the last months - striker on form. hard defeat to swallow.

had to go back to the premier league where we drew to the infamous QPR. hard again considering we should've gotten a penalty.

it was time for the CL, where we had to face the unbeaten champions of both Ukraine and Italy. we drew the first game at home against Juventus, but we stood up against the likes of Stoke City and Arsenal.

we then went to Norway where we beat Nordsjaelland quite easily by 4. we seemed to like that number as we beat Norwich City and Tottenham with the same amount of goals. we looked unbeaten, unreachable and ready to defend the title of European Champions.

what was coming, nobody could've predicted. we lost at home against Manchester City thanks to the referee who not only sent Torres off when he should've dropped Evans, but also allowed an offside goal from Hernandez. not to mention the second yellow card Rooney should've seen.

we then drew to Swansea in the last minutes and saw Suarez equalize in the 73rd minute after fouling Ramires inside our box. We blamed Robbie for Swansea but we should have got 3 points from both Liverpool and Manchester game.

the last game of Robbie in the league was against his former club WBA. we were denied two penalty claims yet again and conceded two. the last straw was when we lost 3-0 to the undefetead champion of Italy.

we had a streak of bad 5 games in which I firmly believe we should have won three (against Utd, Liverpool and WBA). we lost to Juventus and that game saw the end of Robbie Di Matteo.

we were introduced to our old foe who is now supposed to lead us to glory. We managed a draw against City, which seemed like a fair, boring result. Next games, against Fulham and West Ham, saw us draw and lose. we got over these results by beating Norwegian champions 6-1 which in the end didn't really matter.

We beat Sunderland 3-1 just before flying out for the CWC. We won by 3-1 against Mexican Monterrey and saw Corinthians life the trophy after disappointing defeat in the final.

We then beat 16th Aston Villa 8-0 which looked like resurrection. We then won two scary games against Norwich and Everton by 1-0 and 2-1 respectively. We have than lost to the last team who hasn't won a game in 22 fixtures - QPR.

@edit - we also beat Wolverhampton, United in league cup with Robbie and also defeated Leeds under Rafa

games Robbie won: Wigan, Reading, Newcastle (who were 4th at the time after beating Tottenham), Stoke City (12th), Arsenal (7th), Norwich (19th), Tottenham (5th), Nordsjaelland, Shakthar (undefeated when we met them), Wolverhampton, United

games Robbie drew: QPR (robbed by the ref), Swansea (11th), Liverpool (13th), Juventus (undefeted)

games Robbie lost: Man City (after playing with 10 men for the majority of the game), Atletico Madrid (Falcao), Man United (ref, 2nd team), WBA (2 penalty claims yet again, 4th team), Shakhtar (undefeated), Juventus

games Rafa won: Sunderland (18th team), Aston Villa (16th team), Norwich (11th team), Everton (6th team), Monterrey, Leeds, Nordsjaelland

games Rafa drew: City (2nd team), Fulham (11th team)

games Rafa lost: Corinthians, West Ham (8th team), QPR (20th team)

summary:

Robbie - W11 D4 L6 - goals scored - 45, goals conceded - 26

Rafa - W7 D2 L3 - goals scored - 29, goals conceded - 10

Robbie - 21 games - 2,1 goal scored per game, 1,2 goal conceded per game

Rafa - 12 games - 2,4 goals scored per game (1,9 if it wasn't for that massacre of Villa), 0,83 goals conceded per game.

Basically what we got with Rafa is a manager who was able to beat teams from the bottom of the table (Sunderland, Villa, Norwich) or lower leagues (Leeds, Monterrey, Nordsjaelland). He drew with City and Fulham but was capable of losing to the last QPR, Corinthians and West Ham.

Robbie lost to the Champions of England in the Community Shield, Champions of Europe (kind of) Atletico, vice-champions Utd, 4th team WBA and the undefeated champions of Italy and Ukraine. He drew with the mid-table Liverpool and Swansea, champions of Italy and QPR. He proved capable of winning against the likes of Utd, Tottenham, Arsenal, Shakhtar.

so, wtf was that sacking and bringing somebody who is on the same level or even below?

Simply because our board are clowns.

[MHL 47 378]

What's the saying about making the same mistake repeatedly? Well RB keeps on making the same ones time, after, time.

Whatever goes through his mind regarding leaving out our most creative players against a side who were fairly obviously going to just play in their own half, he's not learned yet and because of his inflated opinion of himself or his massive ego, probably never will.

He sets the tone for the team and with that selection, the tone was set I.e. rest a few, we'll be OK, it's QPR. Well QPR came, only wanted to defend, they were awful going forward, but fought and fought and were organised. We however were slow, lethargic and to be honest looked like we hadn't worked in training using this team line up.

This was a massive wasted opportunity and he takes the majority of the blame. 5 points at home dropped against arguably the two worst away sides in the league, no goal scored either. He's a Managerial Genius? Or maybe Arry's right, he's just a dope!

[Heisenberg 1,824]

Apart from Torres, that is massively fucking unfair.

Well that is my opinion , as i said , the problem may be the manager , but i feel that the players are just not involved , not all of them of course.Anyway this may be overreacting because of the defeat , but its my general opinion about this season.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I just knew it, from the moment mata wasn't in that team.

This is no longer funny. We can't beat anyone if mata doesn't start. When did my chelsea become a one man team??

Fuck qpr

[Manuf 1,448]

Apart from Torres, that is massively fucking unfair.

I think it's been mentioned before, but here goes.....

Roman never wanted Robbie. Roman wants Pep. He sacked Robbie the first moment he could (which Robbie helped with by getting us knocked out of the CL). He appointed the best candidate available short-term. In Summer he makes a run at Pep.

This season seems to have been about trimming off the big contracts/dead wood and getting young players for next year. I hope it works out.

and why do you think Pep would get rid of experienced players?

[The only place to be 11,313]

and why do you think Pep would get rid of experienced players?

I don't think I've said he would.

[Manuf 1,448]

I don't think I've said he would.

so who do you mean by the "big contracts"?

[Changingman_2000 876]

TFSW massively underestimated QPR and we paid the price. That said, the players chosen should have had enough about them to win the game but the desire wasn't there. He hasn't done any better than RDM in my opinion and, given the fact that the club is completely destabilized now, It was a very poor decision. If Roman didn't want RDM then he should have done the business during the summer. Sure he would have got pelters but would it have been any worse than he is getting now?

Benetiz was/is a mistake. The Lampard/Cole situation is a mistake and I think they have plans for JT as well sadly.

[teignman 441]

So with Ba apparently on his way, is the FSC actually going to prefer him to Torres? Magic 8-ball says, "outlook not so good."

[communicate 2,703]

Well.I miss my Chelsea. my Chelsea is a Chelsea that didn't always produced a "Champagne football", not always been on top, but my Chelsea is a team full of gladiators , full of players that play with the same objectives and same direction , the manager of my Chelsea loves the club , loves the players , loves the supporters.If my Chelsea finish off the top four because of the lack of quality in the team , then i'll accept it.But, the problem is , theses players are good enough to finish second , but they don't have a winning mentality.Maybe because they are lacking leaders on the pitch , but i feel that this Chelsea is not the Chelsea i was supporting : the Hazards , Oscar , Moses , Marin , Torres , Bertrand are simply not playing with their hearts , they dont love the club or they dont care about Chelsea as much as Didier , Lampard ,José , Petr, Iva , Terry , Essien cared about the club in their time. maybe it is because they are young , or maybe its the fault of a manager who cares more about his reputation than the club, anyway , these new players must learn the Chelsea way.

That is a very sad comment. You don't just come to a team and suddenly love the team. I am pretty sure didier,lamp,petr,essien ,etc (probably except JT) did not come to chelsea and suddenly loved the club as a fan. It takes time and comparing us to our old squad is not a good idea. We had the best squad in EPL when we won under JM and CA, can you say that right now we have squad comparable to city/mu this season.

[Tomo 21,733]

Yer im not fussed about the result just don't like Roman personally think he's a cunt.

We should let him go, word is Hicks and Gillett are looking for a new club

[Heisenberg 1,824]

That is a very sad comment. You don't just come to a team and suddenly love the team. I am pretty sure didier,lamp,petr,essien ,etc (probably except JT) did not come to chelsea and suddenly loved the club as a fan. It takes time and comparing us to our old squad is not a good idea. We had the best squad in EPL when we won under JM and CA, can you say that right now we have squad comparable to city/mu this season.

Of course not , but my point is that these players must give more on the pitch, and its obvious now that the sacking of Roberto Di Matteo was a very bad idea.We are better than Manchester City and i'm not afraid to say it, we just lacked of a striker who scores goals.

[Fulham Broadway 16,923]

Fat cunt has ruined my day today. Colleagues like it though 'What was the score last night ?' 'Fuck Off'

Roman Circus rolls into Southampton next......

[Kojo 4,676]

I don't understand how QPR deserved their win like all the pundits and such are saying, because we where literally all over them, there goal came off a bloody corner.

Moses missed a huge sitter, and Torres especially.

[Ankit 3,176]

[Jase 43,479]

I don't understand how QPR deserved their win like all the pundits and such are saying, because we where literally all over them, there goal came off a bloody corner.

Because Harry is the media's favorite son and they love it when an underdog wins a game like this especially if it's against us...

[Kojo 4,676]

Because Harry is the media's favorite son and they love it when an underdog wins a game like this especially if it's against us...

I remember when Reading where beating us earlier in the season, out of nothing, and they where sall saying it's deserved, when it obviously isn't is it. It really does my head in all the commentators say 'OHH MY READING THEY WORK SO HARDDDD SO HARDDDD'. It's not logical at all, if the underdog wins with 1 shot and the big team has 200 shots, they say it was deserved by the Underdog, because they worked so hard and fight till the end, not that the other team missed a lot of chances and they where very lucky under a lot of circumstances.

Like Lampards goal would've stood by many linesman, not many count offside when it's that marginally close. It was like Ryan Giggs assisting Rooney in the Champions League against Barcelona, he was a fracture if just that offside.