The Benitez Thread

[Laylabelle 9,539]

Uusally when a Manager comes in half way everything turns around,becomes amazing and roses..this time the complete opposite!!

[Tomo 21,751]

I think Rafa has done ok.

Ok there is the bad home form but the away form is as good as it's been since the early Scolari days. If the home-away form was reversed would any one being batting an eyelid?

Our inconsistent form is nothing to do with Rafa, we let experience go with young talent invested, if Rafa had this record with our 04-09 squad's then fine but this is a working progress and i think the general consensus in the summer was 3rd place with genuine positive signs for the future would be a good season, something that we are well on course to do.

The difference between Rafa and Robbie is our good/bad games under Rafa seem to be spread out where with Robbie it was a run of great form followed by a run of horrible form.

Taking the emotion and the contrasting feeling to both blokes by Chelsea fans,there has been an improvement under Rafa, we are dominating games a lot more than what we did under RDM and if the Spaniard can keep us in 3rd place as far as im concerned he has done what he needed to do.

[robdog 2,084]

I think Rafa has done ok.

Here is a http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264430/Rafael-Benitez-makes-worst-start-Chelsea-manager-Roman-Abramovich-era.html'>lil' stat from the Daily Fail to support your argument

[Tomo 21,751]

Here is a lil' stat from the Daily Fail to support your argument

AVB and Robbie aside, all those managers had superior squad's. Jose and Claudio had shitloads to spend on whoever they wanted, Avram, Phil, Hiddink and Carlo inherited the squad in the peak cycle. Rafa had neither of those luxury's.

Jose, as far as i am aware, had the worst end out of all the managers.

Brendan Rodgers oversaw Liverpool's worst league start for over 100 years, does that make him the worst Pool manager in that period?

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

AVB and Robbie aside, all those managers had superior squad's. Jose and Claudio had shitloads to spend on whoever they wanted, Avram, Phil, Hiddink and Carlo inherited the squad in the peak cycle. Rafa had neither of those luxury's.

Jose, as far as i am aware, had the worst end out of all the managers.

Brendan Rodgers oversaw Liverpool's worst league start for over 100 years, does that make him the worst Pool manager in that period?

Can You rate our managers from the past 10 years?

[Tomo 21,751]

Can You rate our managers from the past 10 years?

In terms of what they contributed

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Hiddink

5. Clarke

6. Ranieri

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Ill judge Rafa on the scale when he leaves.

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

In terms of what they contributed

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Hiddink

5. Clarke

6. Ranieri

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Ill judge Rafa on the scale when he leaves.

[zolayes 14,489]

In terms of what they contributed

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Hiddink

5. Clarke

6. Ranieri

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Ill judge Rafa on the scale when he leaves.

you undervalue Ranieri's contribution considerably

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

you undervalue Ranieri's Grant's contribution considerably

[Rmpr 8,977]

In terms of what they contributed

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Hiddink

5. Clarke

6. Ranieri

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Ill judge Rafa on the scale when he leaves.

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Ranieri

5. Hiddink

6. Clarke

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Fixed

[xPetrCechx 13,578]

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Ranieri

5. Hiddink

6. Clarke

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Fixed

1. Mourinho

2. Ancelotti

3. Di Matteo

4. Ranieri

5. Hiddink

6. GRANT!!!

7. AVB

8. Scolari

Fixed

[Hutcho 8,443]

Clarke wasn't a manager of ours... Only an assistant.

For me it is:

Jose

Rdm (Holy grail)

Ancelotti

Hiddink

Ranieri

Grant

Avb

Benitez

Scolari

[Tomo 21,751]

@, It was my way of implying who i thought was actually in charge in 07/08.

@zolayes your right ill probably put Ranieri up a bit thinking again.

[Rmpr 8,977]

@ dont worry, I got what you meant (hence I kept Clarke).

[Bacika 188]

Maybe abramovixh hasn't offered enough money to pep?

Or Guardiola is just afraid to come to EPL, and choose less competitive league, where Bayern is way better than the rest of the league. Dortmund did mix things up in the last 2 years, but I think it is their maximum...it's again Bayern's era, where other teams don't stand a chance. So guardiola was playing on safe card Even I could win title in Germany with Bayern

[Hutcho 8,443]

@, It was my way of implying who i thought was actually in charge in 07/08.

@zolayes your right ill probably put Ranieri up a bit thinking again.

Ok fair enough... Was getting weird as I assumed everyone must know that lol.

[Hutcho 8,443]

@ dont worry, I got what you meant (hence I kept Clarke).

Don't lie about it... B-)

[Rmpr 8,977]

Don't lie about it...

Just because you cant read between the lines does it mean I cant either?

[Hutcho 8,443]

Just because you cant read between the lines does it mean I cant either?

Errrrmmmmmm.... Yes :-D

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

you undervalue Ranieri's contribution considerably

Everyone always does. He brought Lampard, Cech, Robben, Makalele, and Gallas to Chelsea. He played Terry and made him Captain. He contributed much more to the club than Hiddink who was simply a good manager for a handful of games. Mourinho's team was actually mostly Ranieri's (and even Vialli's) team. In fact, I'd have him second behind Mourinho. (I guess some of it depends on what you mean "contributed". Lasting legacy? How well we did under them?

I'd have it:

1) Mourinho- we became a dominant team when he was manager and helped forge our identity. He also bought players like Drogba and Carvalho who were key for us well after he left.

2) Ranieri,-Reasons above

3) Ancelotti-Had our best year under him. Transfer legacy is poisonous though.

Other than that, I don't think our recent managers "contributed" all that much. Largely because no other managers has managed even a season worth of games.Grant has the best success, managed the longest, and had very good transfers but still not much of a legacy really, If you're going back even a little further both Gullit and Vialli contributed a lot. We had or first success under them. We started playing some beautiful football. We were an exciting team. We even within 5 points of winning the Premier League one year. We had a ton of top transfers in this era as well. (Zola, RDM, Leboeuf , Desailly, Poyet, Cudicini, Hasselbaink, Gudjohnson, Flo, Chris Sutton (how did that get in there?) etc.... In fact, our 96/97 and 97/98 transfers were probably our best if you consider value. We bought Babayaro, Le Saux, De Goey, and Poyet, Zola, Lebeouf, and Vialli. The whole thing cost us well under 30M pounds.