The Benitez Thread

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It's fine people wanting him out, but who do we get in instead and how does that affect how hiring process 6 months down the line?

Does it actually matter who else comes in? As long as it's not Rafa, who the fuck cares?

I find it absolutely baffling that you can still be here supporting him with your self-righteous bullshit - 'in the best interests of the club'. I'm sorry for being so obtusely blunt - but that's complete & utter bollocks. Actually you know what I take that back; I'm not sorry.

You know what's in the best interests of the club right now? Somehow getting our shit together & finishing in the top 4 THIS SEASON. I have no idea where your misguided beliefs are conceived from, nor do I ever really want to find out. But I would imagine that I am speaking for the vast majority of supporters around the globe when I say NO ONE GIVES HALF A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT NEXT SEASON AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. Not when the team that we love is quite literally disintegrating in front of our very eyes; fuck knows about all the shit behind the scenes that we don't actually get to see/hear as well.

You can attempt to justify this absurd notion of no one wanting to take the position of being Chelsea manager if we sack Rafa (which is a complete fucking joke to be quite frank) - but the fact is that if we don't even make it into the CL, then you can forget about your dreams of sucking off that Catalonian man-hunk Guardiola altogether, because he's not going to waste his time with a team that isn't even at the very least competing at the top level in Europe.

I don't see how you can constantly maintain this disgustingly elitist demeanour & suggestive attitude that you are somehow above the rest of the supporters & that you care more about the club, simply because you 'want what's best 6 months down the line' - & yet you continually fail to acknowledge the situation that is currently at hand in the present, which will ultimately affect our future endeavours more than anything else. It's complete idiocy & pure insolence to disregard what is happening right now just for the sake of some speculated future 'super-manager' that has nowhere near any kind of guarantee to actually take the job - in fact the majority of reports actually suggesting otherwise.

Are you honestly going to tell me that you're willing to let this season capitulate into complete shit with that obese cunt in the dugout, purely because you think no one will want to manage the club if we get rid of him?

That, my feeble-minded fellow, has to be the most ridiculously delusional load of bollocks I have ever heard. You seem to be forgetting that WE ARE MOTHERFUCKING CHELSEA FC - & we also happen to have a certain Russian quadrillionaire owner to fund our most extravagant ambitions. Do you seriously believe that any manager out of a job wouldn't jump at the chance to take our team to the brink of glory once again - when even failure to do so will result in no more than a pretty pay cheque & an early holiday?

& so fucking what if Pep is 'a man of integrity' & requires job security or whatever other nonsense is supposedly part of his desired criteria - I couldn't give a flying fuck about him to be honest - I don't really understand all of the hype that so many on here seem to divulge his name in. Honestly, I would take Mourinho over him every single day of the week til the end of the world...but maybe that's just me?

[Leif 6,006]

AT LEAST WE'RE NOT LOSERPOOL! ....yet.

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dude dont troll me, we let zola go out as a "free agent" in the same summer roman came in. infact zola went from chelsea on 2 july 2003 to be absolutely precise, so u r absolutely wrong about it unless i have lost my mind completely and dont remember a thing. anyways u right about him caring for the club's future(short term to be precise) but not about its past. and we were not ready for life without DD and its showing. if roman had not been so hell bent on torres he would have given dd a contract for the club's benefit and god knows DD had deserved it.

Zola had agreed to join Cagliari, Roman tried to change his mind but Zola wouldn't. The rumour was that Roman was prepared to buy Cagliari but I suspect that's a little bit untrue.

As for our history, Roman does respect it but the club couldn't give Drogs everything he wanted and both parties felt it was the perfect time to part. The thinking was that it was time to put the club on Torres's shoulders but it clearly hasn't worked.

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Does it actually matter who else comes in?

Yes it does. It's one of the reasons I asked the question ' who would replace him' and 'how would that affect our long-term hiring strategy'.

I actually think Benitez can get us a top-four position and then I'll wish him farewell.

But in all that somewhat confusing/confused diatribe against me, you didn't actually mention a single name who would replace him.

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no need to "sack" JT. just make him the manager till the end of season, then get the big one. plus it was just one case study.

It might sound stupid and drastic but I genuinely think it would work and get us a top 6 finish. Whether or not he has the coaching badges to do it I don't know

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It might sound stupid and drastic but I genuinely think it would work and get us a top 6 finish. Whether or not he has the coaching badges to do it I don't know

I've never quite understood the idea that John Terry could ever be a half-decent coach. A great leader on the pitch but to me he simply doesn't have the intelligence or tactical nous to be one.

If we're seriously looking at promoting a player to the top job then my preference would be Lampard. But it's still a fucking stupid idea.

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But it's still a fucking stupid idea.

so is thinking that Guardiola would genuinely want to manage us but I don't go on about that.

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so is thinking that Guardiola would genuinely want to manage us but I don't go on about that.

It's not fucking stupid in the slightest. :banghead:

By the way, you didn't mention a single thing about JT that would make him a good manager in your opinion.

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Zola had agreed to join Cagliari, Roman tried to change his mind but Zola wouldn't. The rumour was that Roman was prepared to buy Cagliari but I suspect that's a little bit untrue.

As for our history, Roman does respect it but the club couldn't give Drogs everything he wanted and both parties felt it was the perfect time to part. The thinking was that it was time to put the club on Torres's shoulders but it clearly hasn't worked.

dint know about that but rumors and what actually happens is very different.

plus dd just wanted a 2 year contract compared to a 1 year that was being given and he deserved whatever he wanted,

now to the point, u r the owner of the club, would u take such a big risk when teams like manu have got rvp and rooney. his decision to put it all on torres shows he puts money before the club.

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dint know about that but rumors and what actually happens is very different.

plus dd just wanted a 2 year contract compared to a 1 year that was being given and he deserved whatever he wanted,

now to the point, u r the owner of the club, would u take such a big risk when teams like manu have got rvp and rooney. his decision to put it all on torres shows he puts money before the club.

The rumour about buying the club is probably a little bit exaggerated, but Roman was (and is) a massive fan of Zola.

Drogba knew the deal we have with players over the age of 30 and we had to stick by that. We are also a business.

The Torres thing might show he puts money before the club, but um....

EVERY FUCKING THING HE HAS DONE IN THE LEAST 9 YEARS OF OWNING THIS CLUB WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS COMPLETE, UNADULTERATED BOLLOCKS.

We all know the Torres transfer is a massive trainwreck, but he's still a £50 million asset (closer to £100 million with wages although he does bring in a lot) that a business (Chelsea are a business) need to maximise. There's plenty of rumours that he's ready to rectify it in January too, so I think we can give Roman a bit of a break because he's done a fuck load for this club and he's looking to do a lot more.

If it wasn't for Roman, we probably wouldn't have out 'member of the month' and then where would we be?

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It's not fucking stupid in the slightest. :banghead:

By the way, you didn't mention a single thing about JT that would make him a good manager in your opinion.

The fact that he is 100% Chelsea will mean that he will have the ability to unite the dressing room a lot easier than Rafa. He has a better relationship with the players having known them for a long time and as club captain he would most likely have their backing. Managers these days often have other staff working with them, tacticians, scouts etc. who would make his job easier. Rafa does not always take training sessions and sometimes leaves it to people like Steve Holland who know enough about what to do with regard to sessions and routines. I don't think JT should be the one studying tactics etc. but he would certainly be useful in giving team talks and motivational speeches to players in matches and training sessions.

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The fact that he is 100% Chelsea will mean that he will have the ability to unite the dressing room a lot easier than Rafa. He has a better relationship with the players having known them for a long time and as club captain he would most likely have their backing. Managers these days often have other staff working with them, tacticians, scouts etc. who would make his job easier. Rafa does not always take training sessions and sometimes leaves it to people like Steve Holland who know enough about what to do with regard to sessions and routines. I don't think JT should be the one studying tactics etc. but he would certainly be useful in giving team talks and motivational speeches to players in matches and training sessions.

Then why wouldn't we look to promote someone like Steve Holland? If you want a cheerleader why not get someone like Harry Redknapp in? Or Kevin Keegan?

I don't particularly like Rafa, but right now I think he's probably the only option we have. We've got a lot of youngsters who have put their faith in this club to help them develop and if we keep chopping and changing I think we lose them a little.

I think we've got enough (and other teams haven't) to make top four with what we've got and what we'll have after January. Then we can start afresh having reached rock bottom. Sometimes you have to do that to build something anew and we've got enough young talent to do that, in my opinion.

As for the Guardiola hiring, I've stated before that I think he's the ideal man for us based on everything I've seen, read and heard. I'm not going to tell other people how to express their support, but when I'm at the Bridge I will support the players on the pitch as long as they're putting their heart and soul into it. Others who go to the games can do what they want.

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The rumour about buying the club is probably a little bit exaggerated, but Roman was (and is) a massive fan of Zola.

Drogba knew the deal we have with players over the age of 30 and we had to stick by that. We are also a business.

The Torres thing might show he puts money before the club, but um....

EVERY FUCKING THING HE HAS DONE IN THE LEAST 9 YEARS OF OWNING THIS CLUB WOULD SUGGEST THAT IS COMPLETE, UNADULTERATED BOLLOCKS.

We all know the Torres transfer is a massive trainwreck, but he's still a £50 million asset (closer to £100 million with wages although he does bring in a lot) that a business (Chelsea are a business) need to maximise. There's plenty of rumours that he's ready to rectify it in January too, so I think we can give Roman a bit of a break because he's done a fuck load for this club and he's looking to do a lot more.

If it wasn't for Roman, we probably wouldn't have out 'member of the month' and then where would we be?

first things first torres is not an asset. he is a fucking LIABILITY.

now to the discussion. when did i or any1 say that roman dint do anythin for the club? u need to go to the original statement instead of writing things in bold and capital.

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Then why wouldn't we look to promote someone like Steve Holland? If you want a cheerleader why not get someone like Harry Redknapp in? Or Kevin Keegan?

It would be nice to think that we could promote someone like Steve Holland but I fear that he would be looked upon in the same way as Avram Grant- a nobody who got the job because someone else got sacked (RDM wasn't looked upon in this way because he was already a Chelsea legend) and not a big enough name. Alternatively, he may be looked on like AVB was when he was made manager- someone who was 'only a scout or assistant coach beforehand'. Redknapp obviously isn't available but at the time of RDM's sacking he was my number 1 choice, whether or not he was willing to take a temporary job or would have got a longer contract we will never know. Kevin Keegan just wouldn't happen with Abramovich in charge in my opinion.

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So after the millions paying RDM off, the millions to pay this fat cunt to waddle round the technical area and all the grief, nothing's changed.

Brilliant -If this board, Buck , Gourlay and all the other shysters worked for any corporation or multinational with the same manager turnover and multimillion pound pay offs, theyd have been shown the door years ago.

The obvious way to keep your job is to lick Abramovichs arse...yes roman no roman, can I suck your balls now please ?

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Give that guy some more time , no one started RDM out when we lost 4-1 to Atleti . It's utterly biased

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This place is literally going to explode if we lose on Wednesday night to that lot.

Rafa, you HAVE to get this one right. No ifs, no buts, no maybes. We HAVE to still be in the cup on Thursday morning.