LAM09 7,064 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Until actually UEFA does something 'right' in regards to what FFP is about and has been talked about, like banning clubs from European competition, doubt anyone would really take it seriously especially when leniency are being shown.Exactly. They need to make a statement against a big club. Malaga were banned last year for financial problems, but they are a small club. UEFA are scared to punish one of the powerhouses, and until they do; FFP will be a waste of time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Exactly. They need to make a statement against a big club. Malaga were banned last year for financial problems, but they are a small club. UEFA are scared to punish one of the powerhouses, and until they do; FFP will be a waste of time!Have to look past the 50 million fine and look at the other punishment involve. Cause the truth is that for a rich team 50 million is a little set back, but they can live. The other punishment of squad reduction, wage cap, and homegrown is of more significant. We should be focusing on this side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Until actually UEFA does something 'right' in regards to what FFP is about and has been talked about, like banning clubs from European competition, doubt anyone would really take it seriously especially when leniency are being shown.I can't remember where I heard this, but apparently in America in either the NFL and/or MLB they have similar sanctions and the money from a club's (massive) fine is distributed evenly between the other teams in the league who did not break sanctions...maybe an American brethren can confirm this, but call me crazy, it seems like a much more reasonable solution compared to fines going straight in Platini's pockets...try telling him that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,064 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Have to look past the 50 million fine and look at the other punishment involve. Cause the truth is that for a rich team 50 million is a little set back, but they can live. The other punishment of squad reduction, wage cap, and homegrown is of more significant. We should be focusing on this side. I understand what you are saying mate, but UEFA said clubs found guilty would be suspended from European Competitions. That clearly isn't the case, looking at City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I understand what you are saying mate, but UEFA said clubs found guilty would be suspended from European Competitions. That clearly isn't the case, looking at City.And they also said that would be the last measured. They said that it will be progressive punishment for those continuously breaking the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,064 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 And they also said that would be the last measured. They said that it will be progressive punishment for those continuously breaking the rules. I still find that pointless. If they want to make a statement about FFP, ban clubs. That is the only way clubs will stay in line. A fine isn't a big deal for major clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I still find that pointless. If they want to make a statement about FFP, ban clubs. That is the only way clubs will stay in line. A fine isn't a big deal for major clubs.What you mean pointless?The 50 million if it was only that it would have been pointless for a very rich club.The other punishment are of real consequences and best option then out rightly banning them. Cause it shows that UEFA is giving chances to teams to get their act straight. You imagine if we screw up once and break the rule? Do you want them to ban us right of the bat?No give us a chance to work it out.Now if the same club continues doing the same after having been already sanctioned, then it makes sense to escalate the punishment. But I repeat, you just focusing on the 50 million fine and forgetting the other punishment which are of greater impact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,064 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 What you mean pointless?The 50 million if it was only that it would have been pointless for a very rich club.The other punishment are of real consequences and best option then out rightly banning them. Cause it shows that UEFA is giving chances to teams to get their act straight. You imagine if we screw up once and break the rule? Do you want them to ban us right of the bat?No give us a chance to work it out.Now if the same continues doing the same after having been already sanctioned, then it makes sense to escalate the punishment. FFP hasn't come out of nowhere, clubs have been warned about it for a while. I personally think the procedure UEFA have currently followed is too lenient IMO. If FFP was just announced, I would say this punishment would suffice, but that isn't the case. It relation to Chelsea, we are trying to follow FFP, by selling players, and go far in European Competitions. I think the Chelsea board are making sure they don't fall foul of FFP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 FFP hasn't come out of nowhere, clubs have been warned about it for a while. I personally think the procedure UEFA have currently followed is too lenient IMO. If FFP was just announced, I would say this punishment would suffice, but that isn't the case.It relation to Chelsea, we are trying to follow FFP, by selling players, and go far in European Competitions. I think the Chelsea board are making sure they don't fall foul of FFP.Yes, but if FFP hasn't come out of nowhere then you should know that FFP also had in mind sanctions step. First a fine, then point deductions and finally ban. It was an escalation punishment to repeatedly offenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,064 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Yes, but if FFP hasn't come out of nowhere then you should know that FFP also had in mind sanctions step. First a fine, then point deductions and finally ban. It was an escalation punishment. I personally wasn't aware of that, but a three strike set up is too lenient either way IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I personally wasn't aware of that, but a three strike set up is too lenient either way IMO.Rules are rules, and we all agreed to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAM09 7,064 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Rules are rules, and we all agreed to it. Some more than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernando 6,585 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 What I want to know is if those sponsorship deal that PSG and City did with themselves will stand?Cause if UEFA let it slide then these two teams will be in the green in less then 5 years as those are massive injection that will count as revenue..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 https://twitter.com/JWTelegraph/status/463661515628118016Inclined to agree with the notion above. This almost feels like a way for UEFA to pick up more $$$$$$$$..Exactly!Yet some of our dumb members think it is right to back UEFA in this shit just because it "benefits us".Pathetic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 Exactly!Yet some of our dumb members think it is right to back UEFA in this shit just because it "benefits us".Pathetic!No reason for you to call members dumb simply because they believe that City should be punished for not playing by the same rules that we have over the last few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 City face sanctions:http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/manchester-city-face-heavy-fine-and-cut-in-champions-league-squad-050614?cmpid=tsmfb:fscom:foxsoccerI 'm in two minds.If Greece of 1960 was like Greece of 2000, we would have no national football history whatsoever.Who is Kostas Nestoridis people were going to say ? Ah yes, that Juventus player and he also played for a Greek side for half a season, did he ?But I have also lived through a total ban period, in 1967-74This thing made the top teams weak but only for a short while and they more or less dominated again - before the ban was lifted.On the other hand we would never have signed Thomas Mavros, the other great living legend, in AEK Athens had the ban persisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Kills 164 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 I can't remember where I heard this, but apparently in America in either the NFL and/or MLB they have similar sanctions and the money from a club's (massive) fine is distributed evenly between the other teams in the league who did not break sanctions...maybe an American brethren can confirm this, but call me crazy, it seems like a much more reasonable solution compared to fines going straight in Platini's pockets...try telling him that!It's not the NFL, but the MLB and NBA. In NFL, you have X amount you can spend, and that's it. In the MLB and NBA, if your team's salary goes over Y amount, your team gets charged with a "luxury tax". However, the situation you described only applies to the NBA where it's divided to the small market teams. In the MLB, it goes into an "industry growth fund", helped to promote baseball, kids' leagues, players' benefits, etc. Also the term 'fine' sort of has a negative connotation to it. Teams know what the luxury tax # is, and the bigger markets ie Yankees, Nets have to decide whether they want to go over it or not. Gab Marcotti wrote an article today about the irony of socialist sport in America vs capitalistic sport in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmicway 1,333 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It's not the NFL, but the MLB and NBA. In NFL, you have X amount you can spend, and that's it. In the MLB and NBA, if your team's salary goes over Y amount, your team gets charged with a "luxury tax". However, the situation you described only applies to the NBA where it's divided to the small market teams. In the MLB, it goes into an "industry growth fund", helped to promote baseball, kids' leagues, players' benefits, etc. Also the term 'fine' sort of has a negative connotation to it. Teams know what the luxury tax # is, and the bigger markets ie Yankees, Nets have to decide whether they want to go over it or not. Gab Marcotti wrote an article today about the irony of socialist sport in America vs capitalistic sport in Europe.A compromise solution is called for. No socialism, no overkill tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted May 6, 2014 Share Posted May 6, 2014 It's not the NFL, but the MLB and NBA. In NFL, you have X amount you can spend, and that's it. In the MLB and NBA, if your team's salary goes over Y amount, your team gets charged with a "luxury tax". However, the situation you described only applies to the NBA where it's divided to the small market teams. In the MLB, it goes into an "industry growth fund", helped to promote baseball, kids' leagues, players' benefits, etc. Also the term 'fine' sort of has a negative connotation to it. Teams know what the luxury tax # is, and the bigger markets ie Yankees, Nets have to decide whether they want to go over it or not. Gab Marcotti wrote an article today about the irony of socialist sport in America vs capitalistic sport in Europe.Why thank you for clearing that up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Only1Didier 5 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 So considering the FFP implications on the squad limit and homegrown players besides the fines. How do we stand for the next season in terms of how is our squad gonna be like and which players will we need to sell to buy new ones to balance?Please provide your views. I have been thinking over it and would love some inputs from more Chelsea fans!Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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