Financial Fair Play

[Jype 6,398]

Does it also include a salary cap right?

They can't increase their wages more then what they currently have?

Yeah, they have to keep their wages at the level of 13/14.

However, some journo just said they included Mancini's big pay-off in their wage bill instead of putting it in the 'excludable' category. I suppose that's smart, now they can even increase their total wage bill for next season by getting another few players in but their total wages will still be smaller than this year when Mancini's pay-off is not there anymore. The excludable items are ignored by the FFP so if they'd done like we always do and exclude it, their FFP loss would have been a little smaller but now they'd have to get creative with the wage bill and they probably knew they won't pass FFP anyway so it didn't matter if the loss was £5m more or not.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Aren't these sanctions just for their champions league squad? As in the squad they submit? Wage & transfer cap..

[Madmax 9,219]

^Yes.

[Ze Mario 638]

Yeah, they have to keep their wages at the level of 13/14.

However, some journo just said they included Mancini's big pay-off in their wage bill instead of putting it in the 'excludable' category. I suppose that's smart, now they can even increase their total wage bill for next season by getting another few players in but their total wages will still be smaller than this year when Mancini's pay-off is not there anymore. The excludable items are ignored by the FFP so if they'd done like we always do and exclude it, their FFP loss would have been a little smaller but now they'd have to get creative with the wage bill and they probably knew they won't pass FFP anyway so it didn't matter if the loss was £5m more or not.

more than that

booo

so actually they can trick wage issue with increase bonuses for the players

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

What's the punishment to Zenit/ Rubin?

[Barbara 15,149]

I think it's a great thing what UEFA did. It's not only about the sanctions (fine, limited squad, frozen wages), but about following up to.

Basically the club has to stay within a loss margin that decreases every season, so not only City and PSG have to fulfill all the sanctions they got, but they also have to reduce even more their losses. I don't remember City's loss - I do remember it was astonishing - and it wasn't caused only because of insane high and many new signings. The Empthad is always that... empty. They aren't that much marketable as other clubs, so they don't have much revenue coming from their fans.

If UEFA continue to investigate how the sheiks inject money through those ridiculous sponsorship endorsements (it's one thing to directly inject money and it's another completely different to make it look like a sponsor did), they can make those losses look even bigger.

I don't know how those investors launder their money (because it's clear the only reason why they would accept having loss after loss some of which astronomical numbers has to be money laundering) and I'm sure they don't enjoy losing huge amounts of money every year, but this makes things harder for them.

So the thing about all of those clubs being punished now (not only City and PSG) is that they have to fulfill with those sanctions AND with the reduced loss accepted for this season and the following. City can also risk face a three strike punishment down the line (don't know about PSG). But then again I wonder if they'll mind that much really. They're Champions League biggest clowns with their shameful campaigns every year.

Also for those defending that any of this clubs could sue UEFA, please, don't be naive. The moment one of those clubs interject to a regular tribunal they're getting their ban earlier and longer. UEFA is a private organization that can have whoever they want in their tournaments and they can create whatever rules they want. The moment a club goes to regular justice system they're out of the equation and UEFA can definitely work around anything a regular tribunal decides. Nobody will ever resort to that because they know is suicide. UEFA doesn't oblige clubs to play their competitions. They are free to disagree with the rules and jump off the moment they want, so a legal mitigation will not going to happen at all because this isn't about a citizen universal right. This is business.

[Jype 6,398]

II don't remember City's loss - I do remember it was astonishing - and it wasn't caused only because of insane high and many new signings.

£150m total losses for the first FFP monitoring period, first a loss of £100m in 12/13 and then £52m last season. Last time they only got a better (yet still pretty bad) result because of the 'sale of intellectual property' for £47m. Whatever the fuck that intellectual property might be, they did state it was only a one-time thing, and without that they'd still have been down by a £100m last season.

For the ongoing financial year City, like every other PL team, will get a massive boost in their broadcasting revenue but will that itself be anywhere near enough to get them closer to breaking even? I wouldn't be so sure...

[pakito 17]

These ffp rules hurts us too in case some have forgotten to notice. So all fans that expect Chelsea to make record breaking signings can forget about it, cause Roman wont be able to pay it himself anymore. So that means that teams that make more money will be able to spend more than us ( curently 5 by far + City also - remember this )

What sucks for everyone is that MC commercial sponsors are deemed to be ok, so that will probably mean soon they will have many new arab sponsors lol, which will only increase their revenue by a lot. If I am not mistaken their owners(family) like almost own Abu Dhabi and they can pretty much order any business to Sponsor Man City if they want, crazy. All in all no wonder why they were saying that they want FFP rules all these years, they are now part of elite clubs and FFP makes sure that another Man City / Chelsea /PSG is harder to come by.

I am glad PSG are fucked a bit since their 200 million or whatever sponsor is deemed not fair value (surprise, surprise ) and fuck off Monaco with your 100 average attendance you are fucked.

And lol @ Barbara, you remind me of those kids who are million miles away from team they ''support'' but they fight between each other and attack other fans, and post crap comments on youtube videos. Emptyhad, Manure, Chelshit etc. Sounds really bitter knowing the fact they sell out every game and have bigger attendance by like several thousands and they are building even bigger stadium. All that while no one really knows how many more people we would have if we had bigger stadium, maybe some part would even be ''empty" ?

[Barbara 15,149]

And lol @ Barbara, you remind me of those kids who are million miles away from team they ''support'' but they fight between each other and attack other fans, and post crap comments on youtube videos. Emptyhad, Manure, Chelshit etc. Sounds really bitter knowing the fact they sell out every game and have bigger attendance by like several thousands and they are building even bigger stadium. All that while no one really knows how many more people we would have if we had bigger stadium, maybe some part would even be ''empty" ?

Are you really sure *I* am the one that remind you of them? Because based in your answer, I may have doubts.

Fact is City stadium often have many empty seats... it was only a joke that you seem to be particularly offended by it...

@Jype, that intellectual thing was one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen, especially given the amount it was paid for it.

How much did City spend in the last window, do you know? And thanks for breaking down their losses for me.

As for the broadcast rights, I posted how much every team made this season in the English Football Thread, but I have no idea how much they used to do. Was the difference that significant?

[Rmpr 8,977]

Ridiculous!

[Rmpr 8,977]

PSG with a big LOL to UEFA and all those people who think FFP is anything but a way Platini created to collect money and leave the already stablished clubs happy...

[Clevemayer 764]

We are fifth Place in turnover only 46 behind Bayern and 35 infront of City so only 4 can spend more than us and ARSENAL and CITY can't