francozola 2,040 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 I know Moses is a good player, but is he even in Hulks league? Seems like a massive step down.Agree with this, he'll probably just be a squad player if he joins but I feel like we need to take advantage of being European Champions and lure some better players to the club. I know people feel like we already have too many players for our squad to try and sign more (potentially) world-class players but that's just not true, there are 60 over games every season and to be able to compete for the title and the CL you need excellent players and replacements in your team. Torres, Sturridge, Lukaku are a question mark. Malouda is pretty much worthless. De Bruyne & Marin are unproven. Out of our 'attack', only Hazard and Mata can be relied upon so if this does indeed happen, I hope it isn't our final piece of business in that area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 In a perfect world (for me), this transfer would mean Torres leaving for anything above £20mil to Juventus, Sturridge becoming our starting striker and then Lukaku + Moses being his back-up.Isn't Moses a winger though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Isn't Moses a winger though?Well he's naturally a striker, who's simply deployed on the wing.Just like Sturridge, Hulk, how Anelka was, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 You want Schurrle and Jovetic, neither of whom are strikers, as back-up?Schurrle has only played on the wing for Bayer Leverkusen at Mainz he was played at CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Schurrle has only played on the wing for Bayer Leverkusen at Mainz he was played at CF.He only ever plays on the wing for Germany too, though, and we're about to enter his 2nd season of him playing on the wing, as a winger.He's also known in the Bundesliga for being an inefficient finisher (based on this past season only though.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 There's so much I could face palm at there.Ramires is a central midfielder. He was played out of position on the wing. So you want Moses, who is apparently not a striker (I assume you mean he's a winger then), to be back up to a central midfielder?You want Schurrle and Jovetic, neither of whom are strikers, as back-up?Moses is unproven at the top level? He's proven in the Premier League. When was Jovetic proven?Or do you mean Sturridge, our top scoring forward this season, is unproven?Moses as back-up to Marin? You DO realise don't you that Marin IS the back-up?LOOL! you dont get it do you?First of all yes Ramires is a CM but he was also our best player last season with Mata, and most of Ramires best performances came from RW!!! and yes Moses is not an out and out striker! Schurrle and Jovetic can both play as strikers and out wide!and yes Sturridge is unproven as a striker at the top level! oh wait but he scored goals for us last season from RW! lool! you do realize scoring from RW where he could sneak in at the back post is a whole lot different to leading the line and scoring goals as an out and out striker where he would be up against two CB's! who would probably scare the life out of Sturridge! i could only imagine how bad he would be playing for us as a ST he would get bullied so easily against the opposition CB's, Sturridge is not the answer simple as that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 He only ever plays on the wing for Germany too, though, and we're about to enter his 2nd season of him playing on the wing, as a winger.Doesn't matter, he is more than capable of playing as striker, he didn't magically forget how to play in that position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rami 6 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Now whelan is saying and i quote " Chelsea have offered a lot less than 4 mil ." He also said they will let him go for right price which i think would be around 8 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 LOOL! you dont get it do you?First of all yes Ramires is a CM but he was also our best player last season with Mata, and most of Ramires best performances came from RW!!! and yes Moses is not an out and out striker! Schurrle and Jovetic can both play as strikers and out wide!and yes Sturridge is unproven as a striker at the top level! oh wait but he scored goals for us last season from RW! lool! you do realize scoring from RW where he could sneak in at the back post is a whole lot different to leading the line and scoring goals as an out and out striker where he would be up against two CB's! who would probably scare the life out of Sturridge! i could only imagine how bad he would be playing for us as a ST he would get bullied so easily against the opposition CB's, Sturridge is not the answer simple as that!No-one claimed Moses is an out-and-out striker.Why do you think we're trying to buy a WINGER then? Why are we even talking about WINGERS? Because Ramires won't be our starting right-winger next season.I see you're completely disregarding Sturridge leading the line for Bolton then, scoring most of his goals from headers and one on one situations after getting past centre-backs.How on earth can you talk about the idea of Sturridge getting bullied easily by CB's, and be talking about Jovetic as back-up instead? *facepalm* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Why the fuck didnt we go after Lavezzi if Hulk was too expensive?!?!Lavezzi is only class winger along Hulk, we might get him for 25mio, he is experienced and not too old, real fighter and runner plus bulky enough to give balance...now he goes to Psg... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Doesn't matter, he is more than capable of playing as striker, he didn't magically forget how to play in that position.Exactly the same as Victor Moses, naturally a striker, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Hope you guys that are saying he'd be a squad player are right. Otherwise, this is what midtable clubs like Liverpool do. Poach cheap players from the likes of Wigan and bottom table clubs.We're European Champions and should be bringing in proven, instant impact, world class players.Moses would be a great squad player, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Doesn't matter, he is more than capable of playing as striker, he didn't magically forget how to play in that position.Don't think he's capable (Schurrle) of playing the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 Hope you guys that are saying he'd be a squad player are right. Otherwise, this is what midtable clubs like Liverpool do. Poach cheap players from the likes of Wigan and bottom table clubs.We're European Champions and should be bringing in proven, instant impact, world class players.Moses would be a great squad player, though.We bought Cahill.He helped us win the Champions League, including putting in a masterclass performance in the final vs. Bayern Munich.He was bought from now-relegated Bolton. Wigan aren't relegated. Cahill also isn't world class.A team is supposed to be built up with a mix of world-class players, experience, promising youngsters and squad players.Do you expect us to buy Thiago Silva? You don't just magically find and buy world class players.You buy players with potential, and then turn them world class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 A potential Sturridge, Moses and Lukaku combination leading the line is a massive step down from a potential Torres, Sturridge and Hulk combination. Not good enough for a top four finish at all. Even Newcastle would have a better front line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif 6,006 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 A potential Sturridge, Moses and Lukaku combination leading the line is a massive step down from a potential Torres, Sturridge and Hulk combination. Not good enough for a top four finish at all. Even Newcastle would have a better front line.But that wouldn't be the front-line.It would be - Sturridge (OUR TOP SCORING FORWARD THIS SEASON FFS)Hazard, Mata, Moses/De Bruyne/Ramires/WhoeverPeople need to stop being such pussies for fuck sake.Manchester United gave a proper chance to young Wayne Rooney, and look at him now.I bet if we bought Rooney instead of Man Utd, people would just say "Too young, not enough experience. Bad transfer. Sell him. Let's get someone else older, more expensive and more proven."How can people be talking about giving KAKUTA a chance, and then people saying Sturridge isn't good enough? How can people be talking about giving McEachran a chance, and then people saying Sturridge isn't good enough?This is why we're a laughing stock to most other clubs.All the people on here want to do is buy, buy, buy any overrated expensive player we're linked to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmarlow 458 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 No-one claimed Moses is an out-and-out striker.Why do you think we're trying to buy a WINGER then? Why are we even talking about WINGERS? Because Ramires won't be our starting right-winger next season.I see you're completely disregarding Sturridge leading the line for Bolton then, scoring most of his goals from headers and one on one situations after getting past centre-backs.How on earth can you talk about the idea of Sturridge getting bullied easily by CB's, and be talking about Jovetic as back-up instead?*facepalm**facepalm*We are talking about wingers because we dont have any back up RW do we? :banghead:LOOL!!! you really dont get it do you? yeah i would love Sturridge to lead the line for us next season if all teams played against us the same way they did with Bolton! When Sturridge played for them teams attacked Bolton leaving Sturridge space to run into! but for Chelsea teams will be parking the bus against us! and when they see players like Mata and Hazard they will try to out muscle us and Sturridge is not one to put up a fight!Its one thing leading the line and scoring for Bolton and whole different thing to do it for Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English Freak 456 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 But that wouldn't be the front-line.It would be - Sturridge (OUR TOP SCORING FORWARD THIS SEASON FFS)Hazard, Mata, Moses/De Bruyne/Ramires/WhoeverPeople need to stop being such pussies for fuck sake.Manchester United gave a proper chance to young Wayne Rooney, and look at him now.I bet if we bought Rooney instead of Man Utd, people would just say "Too young, not enough experience. Bad transfer. Sell him. Let's get someone else older, more expensive and more proven."Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizy 18,907 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 We bought Cahill.He helped us win the Champions League, including putting in a masterclass performance in the final vs. Bayern Munich.He was bought from now-relegated Bolton. Wigan aren't relegated. Cahill also isn't world class.A team is supposed to be built up with a mix of world-class players, experience, promising youngsters and squad players.Do you expect us to buy Thiago Silva? You don't just magically find and buy world class players.You buy players with potential, and then turn them world class.Yes, you could do that.Or, you can buy someone who's already world class, has the potential to become even better, and would strike fear in opponents.Hulk can be that player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted June 19, 2012 Share Posted June 19, 2012 most of Ramires best performances came from RW!!!I thought at first Ramires wasn't good on the wing, he was rather bad. But he got better and better as time went by. Ramires really isn't a proper answer to our wing situation, he can't cross properly and consistenly enough, he isn't a dribbler, he isn't what you would call creative. He's good to play through balls to considering his pace and energy, but that's pretty much it. Well, he also gives the bonus of providing good defensive cover. As I have already said before, I don't really know where Ramires would fit as a starter provided we get a proper right winger.But that's off-topic, so I won't be discussing that any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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