Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He didnt though, which is what Ive been saying all this time...I've said many times, Mata assists total came a lot from set pieces, which is why neither hazard or oscar could match it.Funny that when only 19 of Mata's 52 assists for the club came from set plays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Funny that when only 19 of Mata's 52 assists for the club came from set plays...so, 19/52 isnt a lot? thats prob 19 more than hazard and oscar combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 All of Mata's assists for us since joining the club. 52 assists in total; 33 from open play and only 19 from set pieces.Open Play (33)Terry vs SouthamptonCole vs StokeHazard vs NorwichIvanovic vs NorwichSturridge vs TottenhamOscar vs NordsjaellandLampard vs Aston VillaMoses vs LeedsIvanovic vs SouthamptonBa vs SouthamptonHazard vs StokeLampard vs BrentfordHazard vs Man UnitedHazard vs West HamTorres vs Steaua BucharestBa vs Man UnitedMoses vs Rubin KazanTorres vs Rubin KazanTerry vs FulhamTorres vs BenficaTorres vs SwanseaRamires vs EvertonLampard vs ArsenalSturridge vs WolvesDrogba vs NewcastleDrogba vs Valencia (1st goal)Drogba vs Valencia (3rd goal)Drogba vs StokeRamires vs TottenhamMalouda vs TottenhamRamires vs LiverpoolTorres vs QPRLampard vs BoltonSet Pieces (19)Terry vs TottenhamCahill vs WolvesTorres vs WolvesTorres vs ArsenalCahill vs Man UnitedMoses vs ShakhtarTerry vs LiverpoolCahill vs NordsjaellandLampard vs ReadingTerry vs Steaua BucharestOscar vs LiverpoolTerry vs WolvesIvanovic vs BenficaSturridge vs BoltonLuiz vs Man UnitedCahill vs LeicesterIvanovic vs Aston VillaDrogba vs Bayern MunichTerry vs QPRlolnext people will start bringing up ManUtd stats once Mata is officially announced.Unnecessary, Jason... downplaying Mata's assists is impossible and no one here is stupid enough to try that, much less say he's useless offensively.I can't believe you actually bothered with this... and posted it in Oscar's thread of all placesAlso, you do realize 19/52 (36%) is a higher percentage than 4/12 (33%), right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 so, 19/52 isnt a lot? thats prob 19 more than hazard and oscar combined. In isolation, 19 sounds a lot but overall, not exactly especially when you seem to be suggesting that Mata has assisted more from set pieces than open play.lolnext people will start bringing up ManUtd stats once Mata is officially announced.Unnecessary, Jason... downplaying Mata's assists is impossible and no one here is stupid enough to try that, much less say he's useless offensively.I can't believe you actually bothered with this... and posted it in Oscar's thread of all placesAlso, you do realize 19/52 (36%) is a higher percentage than 4/12 (33%), right?A statman keeps all statistics, or at least most of it. Bothered? Surely I can at least get myself into a discussion, can't I? And it's unfair to compare the overall assist count to just one season, especially in percentages where it distorts what happened. Azpinator and didierforever 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He better continue to play well now Mata has gone We Hate Scouse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 In isolation, 19 sounds a lot but overall, not exactly especially when you seem to be suggesting that Mata has assisted more from set pieces from open play.A statman keeps all statistics, or at least most of it. Bothered? Surely I can at least get myself into a discussion, can't I? And it's unfair to compare the overall assist count to just one season, especially in percentages where it distorts what happened.And I welcome it actually, but to bother to get all his assists (from google, from someone else, from your personal stuff) seems a bit too much As effective as you saying 19 out of 52, lolHow unfair is what you're implying? I'm positive I couldn't actually understand what you meant... explain it in dumb-language, I'm sleepy and I have to leave for an irish pub soon, so that might help keep me awake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva. 5,373 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Actually talking about Mata's assists is unfair (weird since he had a lot lol) but he never had any "super efficient" forward to work with like Silva has with Aguero and co, or Ozil had with Ronaldo.It's better to look at the chances he created from open play - and they are a fucking lot, only for others to go ahead and continually fuck them up.Even if he doesn't create as much chances at Man utd, you can bet in the same time frame he will have more assists simply because he's playing with top finishers like RVP, Rooney and Chicarito. The Skipper, Barbara and kellzfresh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 In isolation, 19 sounds a lot but overall, not exactly especially when you seem to be suggesting that Mata has assisted more from set pieces than open play.I love how im suggesting he has more set piece assists than open play ones..Its more like your favorite player is leaving and anything that isnt happy joy joy and praising him is seen in negative light to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara 15,149 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 @Jim, I loved the new banner with Oscar in the website. That's his default face, and it's so funny, just not as funny as this guy but funny nonetheless.Also great render (or whatever that is called) James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 And I welcome it actually, but to bother to get all his assists (from google, from someone else, from your personal stuff) seems a bit too much As effective as you saying 19 out of 52, lolIt's an obsession. How unfair is what you're implying? I'm positive I couldn't actually understand what you meant... explain it in dumb-language, I'm sleepy and I have to leave for an irish pub soon, so that might help keep me awake Compare 19/52 set pieces assists to 4/12 is unfair especially when you put it in percentages to go along with the point of Mata assisting more from set pieces than open play.Leaving for a pub? Should ask @Stingray to accompany you. Barbara and Stingray 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Popular Post! Share Posted January 23, 2014 Actually talking about Mata's assists is unfair (weird since he had a lot lol) but he never had any "super efficient" forward to work with like Silva has with Aguero and co, or Ozil had with Ronaldo.It's better to look at the chances he created from open play - and they are a fucking lot, only for others to go ahead and continually fuck them up.Even if he doesn't create as much chances at Man utd, you can bet in the same time frame he will have more assists simply because he's playing with top finishers like RVP, Rooney and Chicarito.Indeed... Sheva., kellzfresh, didierforever and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I love how im suggesting he has more set piece assists than open play ones..Its more like your favorite player is leaving and anything that isnt happy joy joy and praising him is seen in negative light to you. It's precisely like what I said before about people wanting to turn a discussion into this pro-Mata/anti-Oscar thing when it is so bloody unnecessary especially when I didn't even say such thing to begin with. Muzchap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 So it turns out just asking how many open-play assists Mata has contributed means you're downplaying his genius and everything he has done for club. It's almost as if some people have gone over the top regarding Mata's playmaking ability and he isn't the super-duper creative genius they desperately want you to believe. Maybe Oscar should start taking corners to get them numbers up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Indeed...Chances created can mean passing the ball to a player who takes a shot from 50 yards.There is NO WAY Mata or Silva have created 200+ clear goalscoring opportunities. Those numbers are grossly exaggerated and laughable if properly scrutinised. Term-X and Peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Chances created can mean passing the ball to a player who takes a shot from 50 yards.There is NO WAY Mata or Silva have created 200+ clear goalscoring opportunities. Those numbers are grossly exaggerated and laughable if properly scrutinised.True but that is 'chances created' which includes the example you mentioned, pass the ball to a player and he scores from 50 yards.However if we want to talk about 'clear cut chances created', then obviously the numbers will be lower than 200 if one were to analyze each of those chances created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 True but that is 'chances created' which includes the example you mentioned, pass the ball to a player and he scores from 50 yards.However if we want to talk about 'clear cut chances created', then obviously the numbers will be lower than 200 if one were to analyze each of those chances created.And that's what needs to be clarified. Are we really supposed to believe Chris Brunt has created 139 goalscoring opportunities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 And that's what needs to be clarified. Are we really supposed to believe Chris Brunt has created 139 goalscoring opportunities? Erm, why not? He might not be the most glamorous of players but he's one of the key creative players at West Brom and he's their main set piece taker too. And not to mention, that stat was compiled since the start of 11/12 season. Not surprising to reach that amount after 2 1/2 season. Styles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Erm, why not? He might not be the most glamorous of players but he's one of the key creative players at West Brom and he's their main set piece taker too. And not to mention, that stat was compiled since the start of 11/12 season. Not surprising to reach that amount after 2 1/2 season.Yeah I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one mate.On Chris Brunt? That's a first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styles 9,790 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 On Chris Brunt? That's a first. Maybe we should sign him to replace Mata. The Skipper, Jase, Barbara and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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