🇧🇷 Oscar

[bababoom 4,478]

Who the fuck is Kojo?

Look under his avatar.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Only Real Madrid have a truly world-class forward line and only Bayern can competet with us. Gomez is just a proper forward, nothing extraordinary. Nasri is wanker that is useless when things are not going in good way, Milner is just a bullshit to be mentioned in world-class attack, not to mentioning that he wont ever play with Nasri together in longer time periods. Nani is overvalued and Kagawa hasn't yet proven anything in PL. Juventus player aren't really world-class, apart from Pirlo and Marchisio, they just really fit together.

And us? Well Torres is huge doubt I agree in that and we all know he has been huge flop, but that can and we should belive turn out. Mata allready proven he is extraordinary player, well he is beast, maybe best PL player next year. Hazard? OK he is unproven bud he was really asthonishing in Ligue 1 and is highly rated in the football world. Oscar unproven in Englang, though small players like Mata, Zola and Ramires were unproven and yet they are (were) world-class.

I would just be gratefull if you gave us some time. Youngest most competitive attack in the world that would be and yet you dare to say they do not and won't achieve world-class level.

Jesus...where did I ever say that "they won't be world- class in the future"? I said they aren't right now and nobody can seriously argue that. In the future, they could all develop splendidly . The problem is, the less proven players are, the more likely they are to flop. You talk about Kagawa as not proven in the PL. It's true, but of the 4 Chelsea players, how many had good seasons in the PL last year? One. And what does "most competitive attack" mean? You think Chelsea have the best attack? I don't get this obsession with youth. Youth, in itself, is not a virtue. Clubs don't win because they're young. Players that are young don't necessarily become great. In fact, the vast majority of them won't. People have this absurd notion that if you buy all young players, they will all become amazing.

I'm not worried about Oscar's size. I don't think players need to be big to succeed. I think he's a fine prospect and could very well have a great career (and I certainly hope he does). It's just that we are constantly overpaying for players. There are lots of promising young players. But you know what? Other teams buy these types of players for much much less. Seriously, go and look at any South American player and how much they were bought for to come to Europe, very few of them will be over 6-7M Euros. Hell, even players from other European leagues are cheaper. Liverpool are going after Borini who is a striker in Itali for around 8M pounds. City bought Balotelli, who was a regular striker for the top team in Italy at 19, for 22M Euros. Oscar is very different than Hazard. Hazard was the French player of the year in back to back years. The French League is not the greatest, but it's competitive and winning player of the year at 20 and 21 is incredibly impressive. You have to pay big for someone like Hazard because he is one of the brightest stars in world football.

(Also, for those of you who want to replace Milner with Balotelli, the total for Man City goes gets cheaper and gets much more talented.)

[Henrique 9,133]

Oscar is a number 10. Period.

Its funny how suddenly we have many experts in Oscar and brazilian football.

[Sheva. 5,373]

(Also, for those of you who want to replace Milner with Balotelli, the total for Man City goes gets cheaper and gets much more talented.)

Not if you also add Dzeko (27m) and Tevez (not sure the exact amount, but close to 30m i think)

There are lots of promising young players. But you know what? Other teams buy these types of players for much much less.

Nothing new, as soon as Chelsea get involved the transfer fee is always bumped up.

[Spike 12,049]

Make it happen.

[mnmontero 78]

Not if you also add Dzeko (27m) and Tevez (not sure the exact amount, but close to 30m i think)

Nothing new, as soon as Chelsea get involved the transfer fee is always bumped up.

Oh and what about 35m Robinho that was a flop? oh yeah let's not forget about that... oh and 14m on Roque Santa Cruz? Sure they know what to buy... just this 2 makes a total of 49m which is 1m less from what we spent in Torres and well would you look at that he didn't make us won the UCL by himself but he helped get there... I have seen the Torres saga like a lucky charm, a lucky 50m charm...

On topic: Oscar seems like a good buy we will have good rotations this season

[themightyblue 443]

Modric isnt exactly good tackler or marker, yet he play double pivot in Tottenham. Oscar would be deep playmaker along Mikel. I guess he would be lined just a bit more forward than Mikel. I dont see him as regista, but some videos show he does lot of work in central midfield. But dont expect some heavy tackling from this guy. He is something between Mata and Lucas from

Lpool type of player.

Modric is actually a good tackler, very underrated side of his game probably because he is short. Whenever Oscar has played for Brazil its either been as a number 10 close to the striker (where people say he is best), a wide forward or as the most advanced midfielder in a 433. Dropping deep doesn't exactly mean he can play as a CM, its exactly what Rooney does for United. Drops deep and spreads the player. I would reckon he's coming here to play in a band of 3, best for him and the club

[Cosmin 2,484]

Sorry to interrupt your endless discussion about how Oscar is or is not a #10, but I'd like to know if there's any RELIABLE source saying that we signed him. Thank you!

[blue_swaggin_96 96]

i dont like how a thread can easily turn into debate thread within hour of opening, can we please live up to the updates and not discuss.. who he is better then etc etc..

anyways..

The denial coming from the qoutes in the brazilian papers, is it good news or bad news?

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

Mata will ALWAYS be our number 10,so end of discussion.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

Still no update today on chelseas official homepage, maybe waiting to make an announcement.

[Kisho 33]

Just to keep the fire burning http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1253960-chelsea-transfer-news-complete-profile-of-newest-signing-oscar

[BleedsBlue 1,549]

So Spurs were planning on selling Modric so that they could finance the move for Oscar? Well,if so then I guess we fucked Spurs yet again!!!

[Kisho 33]

So Spurs were planning on selling Modric so that they could finance the move for Oscar? Well,if so then I guess we fucked Spurs yet again!!!

dont you just love it, fuck you levy!

[Ollie 4,400]

Looks pretty much done but we've said that before. I don't know him from Adam but he sounds like a truly awesome talent judging by what i've read and the article above. It's exciting, now need to see where they will all fit in. This probably means we wont be getting Hulk or Moses too.

[francozola 2,040]

This is 99.9% happening, just a matter of time. Like Henrique has said, Internacional are probably waiting to confirm the signing of Ganso before announcing this

[Kojo 4,676]

How is this so definite?

[Melanicus 5,208]

On Oscar And His Potential Position

Since the Oscar link exploded yesterday evening, there has been all sorts of talk about the player and how he'd fit in terms of need with Chelsea FC. He's not Luka Modric, and he hasn't played the same role as Luka Modric. Many fans seem to feel this is reason enough to say he doesn't fill a need. Luka Modric, however, doesn't play the same double pivot with Tottenham Hotspur that he would (in theory) at Chelsea. So why is it we're so willing to move Luka to a somewhat new position without even a second of hesitation and not even consider it with Oscar?

Today I think we need to do an exercise that works out well with any youngster. As kids develop physically, sometimes their ideal position on the pitch will be different than what they have been playing previously. Axel Witsel seems a perfect example. As a youth player, he was always one of the most gifted attackers in the Standard Liege system. When he reached the senior level, a move deeper seemed appropriate in order to maximize his talents. John Terry came through the youth ranks as a midfielder, as did David Luiz. Mikel was an attacking midfielder when we signed him. We still don't seem to know what Ramires best position is, but we all seem fairly confident slotting him in almost anywhere. With those players in mind, we're going to look today at what Oscar does well as opposed to where he has played to date.

First of all, I'm going to direct you back to the profile we linked on the front page yesterday. It's just excellent. I've seen a fair amount of Oscar at both the international and club levels, and frankly I have a hard time disagreeing with anything written there. I'm going to briefly sum up what I see as Oscar's best attributes in bullet point form:

• Great passing range
  
• Two footed ability
  
• Calm in possession
  
• Excellent acceleration and agility
  
• Great balance
  
• Good in tight spaces
  
• Decent size
  
• Excellent work rate
  
• Sees the action as it develops exceptionally well for a player so young
  

Now we'll look at some of the weaknesses in his game

• Lack of top end speed
  
• Not the strongest at this point of his development
  
• Not a great leaper
  

Just looking at those attributes, I'd immediately rule out center forward and the center of the defense just due to his physical limitations. His lack of top end speed should also rule him out of playing out wide, as wings and fullbacks often have far more runs into open space. It would seem that Oscar would be an ideal candidate to play in the central midfield then.

As he's played more, he's begun to develop some patterns with the way he plays. Let's take a look at those:

• Likes to pass the ball while running
  
• Prefers the higher percentage pass to the 'homerun" type of pass.
  
• Like to come back to receive the ball, turn, and move it forward.
  
• Likes to immediately move into space after passing
  
• Isn't hesitant to play any type of pass
  

So what do these tendencies tell us exactly? When I look at them I see a central midfielder that can fill basically any role in the center of the park. He doesn't seem to be the Juan Mata type of player that's going to go for killer ball after killer ball, and his less than eye popping assist totals would seem to back that up. What he does seem to do well is find the player that's in a perfect position to deliver that final ball, a potentially mouth watering ability with players like Mata and Hazard working ahead of him. Should the defense leave a lane for a long ball or through ball, Oscar is more than capable of exploiting it. Even from a more advanced position, he'd be an asset in transitioning from defense to attack. He'd certainly seem quite capable of lining up in a deeper role though.

One other thing I've noticed with Oscar is his tendency to play deeper now as opposed to a year ago. In the U20 World Cup last summer, Oscar acted almost like a second striker for much of the tournament. In the recent string of friendlies, Oscar still played as a advanced midfielder, but was often found dropping deep to receive the ball and help transition the squad to attack. He still wore the #10, but he didn't really play as a traditional #10 at all. Watching the transition and the ensuing performances, it's not hard to envision Oscar moving even deeper into the exact same role Luka Modric makes his own at Tottenham.

The fact that I feel Oscar could play deeper doesn't mean that's what the club envision at all. It's not fair to the player, however, to pigeonhole him as strictly a #10 due to the fact that he's played there for most of his very short career. Look at what he does well and what he likes to do, and odds are you'll see a talent that could fill in any number of roles in any number of formations. Considering his peak is still likely 5-6 years away, where he's been playing for club and country to date is largely irrelevant. Think outside the box. Look at what he brings to the table. Forget about what formation we want to play to start next season, as we change primary formations more often than we change managers. The formations we play are best chosen by the talent available to put on the pitch at the time. Oscar would be a purchase for the next 10 years (hopefully), we're not looking at him as a temporary fix in our double pivot. Then again, he might well be that fix anyway.

Source: WAGNH

[royg 96]

I guess CFC still applying for his work permit, until its approved then both clubs will announce.

[Melanicus 5,208]

Oscar represents a new emphasis on youth from Chelsea and is tipped to be their Mesut Ozil

There is a quiet, albeit typically expensive, revolution taking place at Stamford Bridge. With the Champions League mission accomplished, Chelsea’s long-mooted root and branch reboot can begin.

The old guard are being replaced by precocious young talent. Pinning your future on potential brilliance is a risky strategy, but in the case of Brazilian Oscar dos Santos Emboaba Junior there is little reason for concern. Already a picture of composure as a 20 year-old, he has the attributes to become a shrewd signing for Chelsea, even at the expected fee of £22 million.

A central playmaker, Oscar walked out of Sao Paulo in 2010 to join Porto Alegre’s Internacional due to non-payment of wages. A court ruling ordered him to return in March of this year, but Internacional settled the matter with a compensation payment of around £5 million.

Oscar scored a hat-trick in the final of the 2011 Under-20 World Cup which won Brazil the title, and has thrived in an Internacional side controlled by his dependable passing and easy mastery of space.

“He’s quick, dynamic, very athletic,” says Rupert Fryer, founder of southamericanfootball.co.uk. “He’s very much a contemporary player. Versatile, quick in transition, he can play between the lines and burst beyond the back line at speed. He’s also got much better in front of goal recently.”

While Oscar has the legally-required silky Brazilian skills in his locker, he is rarely flash. The midfielder’s balance is one of his biggest assets, and his unerringly straight-backed running style allows him to play with his head up and drift away from markers with ease.

“He’s not the greatest tackler in the world, he’s not terrific in the air and will probably need to bulk up, although he’s by no means weak,” says Fryer. “He’ll just get a lot less protection in England than in Brazil, where if someone blows on you get a free kick.

“He’s been compared to Kaka as he’s quick, but I think Oscar has a better eye for a pass. Kaka’s main gift was speed, Oscar prefers to operate in the spaces between the lines. I’d say he’s more like Mesut Özil, though perhaps not technically as gifted.”

Rather than enjoying a streaky goalscoring run or relying entirely on youthful pace, Oscar is blessed with permanently fashionable footballing gifts. If he can adapt to the Premier League he could become the linchpin of the most exciting Chelsea side in a decade.

Source: Telegraph