TorontoChelsea 4,064 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It's not like we got "immediate excellence" from lukaku when we signed him for 18m. We paid that much for Oscar because of his potential. 2 Things.1) We paid 13M for Lukaku with clauses that could take it up to 18...so half of what Oscar cost. Lots of young promising, talented players like Oxlade-Chamberlin and Phil Jones go for around what Lukaku went for. In the last 3 seasons, the midfielders who went for more than 20M have been. Hazard, Mata, Nasri, Ya Ya Toure, and Silva. All of those players were successful at a high level before the transfers. If you go a bit cheaper, you get players like Kagawa, Milner, Ramires, and Dembele. 2) Lukaku had no success his first year because he never played. He started 4 games in the entire season and 3 of those were in the League Cup. Oscar has played a full first-team season with Chelsea. Because tho cost of transfers are spread out over the life of a contract, we're actually paying for Oscar (let's say he's making 40K/week) over 7M pounds a year. This is why despite what people want, paying big money for players you need to develop is a bad policy because you have to pay big money while they are developing which means that the financial benefit you get later in the contract is mitigated by your losses earlier in the contract... (Also, as KDB and Courtois and others have shown, you can get very good quality youngsters for cheaper anyway). Stingray, Amblève. and The Mak 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amblève. 4,995 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Out of the three amigos he was the most shocking one. Couldn't get past his marker once and didn't really play in the rhythm of the game either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Out of the three amigos he was the most shocking one. Couldn't get past his marker once and didn't really play in the rhythm of the game either.Which is why I can't understand the inclusion of him in the starting XI. Should have gone with Moses who will provide width and actually pose a threat there as opposed to play Oscar out wide, when at the moment, his form is poor(due to fatigue, understandable) but can't do the basics right like the passing, keeping hold of the ball etc. The Mak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Which is why I can't understand the inclusion of him in the starting XI. Should have gone with Moses who will provide width and actually pose a threat there as opposed to play Oscar out wide, when at the moment, his form is poor(due to fatigue, understandable) but can't do the basics right like the passing, keeping hold of the ball etc.The last games Moses played he was horrific, worse than Oscar.Also, Mata had a shocker and I dont see you posting it on his thread! pHaRaOn, Mufassir08 and Peace. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Ok , We had pages on here describing and telling he is knackered. Don't burn him now, lads. I actually think FSW should protect him and not make this kid burn out. We will need him next year and I think a good holiday ill do wonders to this team. Still, bad game, kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Double post galore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellzfresh 7,229 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Kellzfresh>>Oscar in the wingsOscar in the center>>>>>>>>>>>> kellzfresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 The last games Moses played he was horrific, worse than Oscar.He might not be in great form but least he will provide a greater threat by giving us width out wide and stretch the play as opposed to go all narrow with Mata, Oscar and Hazard. And besides, he has played decently recently and has scored a few goals that should have warranted him a start today.Also, Mata had a shocker and I dont see you posting it on his thread!Wasn't as bad as Oscar. At least Mata was in the game, looking to create chances and feed balls into Ba etc. Oscar was hardly seen doing that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 His purchase was wrong in the first place. We signed him instead of a proper winger, overloading the squad with AMs. Since then he has been disappointing, by far the worst of the three amigos. His scoring spree in he European tournaments could not distract from his grave deficiencies in finishing, decision making and precision. Brazil really must be untypically short of options in his position, he is by far the worst player to put on the legendary no.10 shirt i have ever seen. On the other hand one can't expect a 21 year old to completely adapt from a joke league to the strongest league in the world within one season. he surely needs time, at least one more season. Still the idea of buying him was bullocks from the very beginning. The Mak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 His purchase was wrong in the first place. We signed him instead of a proper winger, overloading the squad with AMs. Since then he has been disappointing, by far the worst of the three amigos. His scoring spree in he European tournaments could not distract from his grave deficiencies in finishing, decision making and precision. Brazil really must be untypically short of options in his position, he is by far the worst player to put on the legendary no.10 shirt i have ever seen. On the other hand one can't expect a 21 year old to completely adapt from a joke league to the strongest league in the world within one season. he surely needs time, at least one more season. Still the idea of buying him was bullocks from the very beginning. actually he is almost always brazils best player when they play and far outshines neymar , kaka , ronaldinho , hulk ect. Rmpr, OneMoSalah, Stingray and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He might not be in great form but least he will provide a greater threat by giving us width out wide and stretch the play as opposed to go all narrow with Mata, Oscar and Hazard. And besides, he has played decently recently and has scored a few goals that should have warranted him a start today.He was decent in Europa League, but the last games in domestic tournaments Moses had shocker after shocker.I totally agree we shouldnt go narrow, but if we are to expect a sparkle of talent and magic, the answer is Oscar and not Moses.Anyways, not his thread...Wasn't as bad as Oscar. At least Mata was in the game, looking to create chances and feed balls into Ba etc. Oscar was hardly seen doing that at all.I think it was worse than Oscar. He did nothing when he was in the middle, but we improved once Oscar was there!His miss is also absurd. Why didnt he shoot? Not that Oscar's crosses were any better, but if one should get all this negativity, the other should too.I am not trying to take the blame off Oscar, he has had an average season at the most (his very first season in Europe after no summer though). However, I am arguing why he seems to be the only one getting the blame for our loss... Peace. and renanh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He might not be in great form but least he will provide a greater threat by giving us width out wide and stretch the play as opposed to go all narrow with Mata, Oscar and Hazard. And besides, he has played decently recently and has scored a few goals that should have warranted him a start today.Wasn't as bad as Oscar. At least Mata was in the game, looking to create chances and feed balls into Ba etc. Oscar was hardly seen doing that at all.That cause Mata plays in a free role! I can bet Rafa has told Oscar to be discipline and stay on the flanks and not roam so much. Also, Mata def. played the best today out of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Lamps 11,692 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 actually he is almost always brazils best player when they play and far outshines neymar , kaka , ronaldinho , hulk ect.So what? When Ronaldinho and Kaka were 21 they were ages ahaed of him. I think that rather tells some story about how poor Brazil is these days. Kaka, Ronnie have aged fast and the youth doesn't cut it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 His purchase was wrong in the first place. We signed him instead of a proper winger, overloading the squad with AMs. Since then he has been disappointing, by far the worst of the three amigos. His scoring spree in he European tournaments could not distract from his grave deficiencies in finishing, decision making and precision. Brazil really must be untypically short of options in his position, he is by far the worst player to put on the legendary no.10 shirt i have ever seen. On the other hand one can't expect a 21 year old to completely adapt from a joke league to the strongest league in the world within one season. he surely needs time, at least one more season. Still the idea of buying him was bullocks from the very beginning. His purchase was wrong in the first place. We signed him instead of a proper winger, overloading the squad with AMs. Since then he has been disappointing, by far the worst of the three amigos. His scoring spree in he European tournaments could not distract from his grave deficiencies in finishing, decision making and precision. Brazil really must be untypically short of options in his position, he is by far the worst player to put on the legendary no.10 shirt i have ever seen. On the other hand one can't expect a 21 year old to completely adapt from a joke league to the strongest league in the world within one season. he surely needs time, at least one more season. Still the idea of buying him was bullocks from the very beginning. I always thought Ganso and Kaka were the worse number 10s for Brazil. Anyways, his purchase would of been better had we put him in the pivot or at cam the whole season, rather than have him play wing... Lucas would of been a good signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 So what? When Ronaldinho and Kaka were 21 they were ages ahaed of him. I think that rather tells some story about how poor Brazil is these days. Kaka, Ronnie have aged fast and the youth doesn't cut itRonnie probably has the best touch in football EVER! However, don't agree with Kaka. He was never particular good for Brazil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 So what? When Ronaldinho and Kaka were 21 they were ages ahaed of him. You talking about club football, right?Because Kaka and Ronaldinho never played great for Brazil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucio 5,418 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 we need to surround these players with strong people like fellaini and hulk. Stingray and Drogzola 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 43,479 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He was decent in Europa League, but the last games in domestic tournaments Moses had shocker after shocker.I totally agree we shouldnt go narrow, but if we are to expect a sparkle of talent and magic, the answer is Oscar and not Moses.Anyways, not his thread...Not necessarily have to do anything magical but a matter of who can do it most effectively if you consider what we are doing or at least should be doing. I mean, what's the point of even playing Oscar out wide when it's not even his best position and we have someone like Moses who is suited to play as a winger?! I think it was worse than Oscar. He did nothing when he was in the middle, but we improved once Oscar was there!His miss is also absurd. Why didnt he shoot? Not that Oscar's crosses were any better, but if one should get all this negativity, the other should too.I am not trying to take the blame off Oscar, he has had an average season at the most (his very first season in Europe after no summer though). However, I am arguing why he seems to be the only one getting the blame for our loss... Disagree when you said we improved when Oscar moved to the middle. Did nothing of note while in there. Even ran into cul-de-sacs when trying to get past players.And since when I'm blaming Oscar alone for this defeat? Did I even say he's responsible we lost by conceding those goals? No. If you realize, I even lambast a few others in their own thread! The Mak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 we need to surround these players with strong people like fellaini and hulk.I think Hulk is the biggest winger I've ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korea 734 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Not necessarily have to do anything magical but a matter of who can do it most effectively if you consider what we are doing or at least should be doing.Disagree when you said we improved when Oscar moved to the middle. Did nothing of note while in there. Even ran into cul-de-sacs when trying to get past players.And since when I'm blaming Oscar alone for this defeat? Did I even say he's responsible we lost by conceding those goals? No. If you realize, I even lambast a few others in their own thread!He D Aguero well at the end and he brought the ball from the back rather than CECH PUNTS! Rambo, Lamps, nor Mikel can bring the ball from the back well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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