The Skipper 20,609 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Sorry, I hadnt seen it until now!I gotta say, people are making a situation out of absolutely nothing. Parreira is a clown who oftenly speaks nonsense. Like, sometimes people ask him about X and he starts complaining about Y or Z. It is quite hilarious the history he has regarding failures in interviews!Also, I second everything Barbara brilliantly wrote. He explicitely said "OSCAR WASNT COMPLAINING". All he did (in my understanding), was to tell the Brazilian staff he wish he had played more during this last month but he understands the reasons why he didnt (rotation, injury, etc). THAT'S ALL. Nothing major or allarming!About David Luiz, Parreira just showed how clueless he is about European football. He said Mourinho doesnt Play him because he doesnt like Brazilians and that he could pick one of Cahill or Terry to play along Luiz because he is vastly superior than both. Now, those are his words and not some complaint coming from Luiz. An absolute nonsense and I bet Scolari knows better (he still speaks highly of both JT and Lampard in every press conference someone mentions their names).Oh, bear in mind Parreira is the same person that back in 2012 did that position by position comparisson back in 2012 when we faced Corinthians in the CWC. If you dont remember, he said Cassio was better than Cech, Ralf+Paulinho better than Mikel+Lampard, Emerson better than Hazard (I know) and Guerreiro better than Torres. Also, he said once that if Neymar was given the same treatment as Messi he would outperform the Argentine (and then Neymar had to post an appology or whatever on Tiwitter). So we can say he only speaks bullshit when it comes to comparring Brazilians and Europeans football!!!Wow. What's a deluded guy like him doing in the NT set up? Shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Wow. What's a deluded guy like him doing in the NT set up? Shocking.I know, but it's all politics!The good thing is Felipão is the real guy in charge and I trust him... The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm not really surprised Oscar complained (if quotes are accurate) to Parreira. Oscar is the player who suffers most from our rigid system since he is the number 10 and plays through a lot of bodies. He hardly ever interchanges with the right winger anymore and now he's expected to hold his position. The problem with that is Oscar is a player who thrives on movement and switching positions. He's clearly not very good at creating his own space or protecting the ball, like a David Silva. He does that a lot for Brazil, with Neymar drifting in to the center and Oscar going wide right on occasion. His fantastic performances against West Ham and Southampton come to mind, as games where he was given more of a free role to be a 10 and an inverted winger. The kid needs space to run with the ball as he is not fantastic in tight spaces like Hazard and to a lesser extent Mata. He is not going to get it if he is not given more freedom. Certainly not in the very physical PL.Really? In a Mourinho 4-2-3-1, the number 10 is close to one of the more important roles. The wingers start deeper due to the number 10s positioning and the fact the wingers being deeper create space for the number 10 giving Oscar a chance to make runs into either channel.(watch this stupid video I found which isn't very stupid from when they start talking about the number 10 role) They use Ozil as an example when Jose was at Real. Oscar interchanged into the right side this season at times but when we are counter attacking like we seen for example against Schalke in Germany, Oscar ended up making a run onto the right wing after Hazard started the counter attack, running through the middle in a #10 position before Oscar took it and ended up squaring for Torres to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Glad somebody clarify that misleading article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 he didn't complain about the position at all.He said he was uncomfortable (about not playing much) and crazy Parreira even said with all words, 'but he didn't complain' and then he said 'because there are a lot of players for Mourinho to use' (summarizing the sentences. One could interpret those words being Oscar's, but that's hard when he starts the sentence saying 'He didn't complain' and then even if Oscar did said it, what is clear is that 1) he wasn't complaining 2) he only said he was uncomfortable, but Chelsea has a big squad and players have to play. Not one moment the position was questioned. The only time the word position is said is when the guy asks Parreira if Oscar is the only Brazilian we have to play as a creative #10 and Parreira gives that cocaine-high answer trying to save his arse about something that happened 2 world cups ago. So there's bullshit coming from all places, Parreira, bad translation, wrong quotes, stupid chick saying bullshit (especially because Mourinho replaced Oscar - the Brazilian and reason why he was dropped as Mourinho has a problem with Brazilians - for another Brazilian, or doesn't the moron know that when Oscar was dropped Willian stepped on his shoes?) to media trying to make a fuzz out of something minor.The worst part though is Parreira sharing things that were confessed in private in a WC and NT context, not in a complaining way, or even venting, but just confessing an uncomfortable situation with the WC around the corner. His rotation and bad fitness at Chelsea in the past didn't prompt this kind of comment. He was probably asked by the NT staff how he was physically and how he felt keeping in mind the WC was approaching and he said how he was physically and how he felt. Who wants to play little a few months prior to the WC? Of course he'd be more comfortable playing, but this seems like a big non-story with mexican elements of drama where there's none.In my opinion he said clearly: "So he was complaining / "então ele 'tava' reclamando"Ele está bem fisicamente. ELe não tem jogado... problema mais do Mourinho do que dele.Querer jogar ele quer, e ele gosta de jogar e ele não estava confortável com essa situação. Conversamos e ele até se abriu um pouco... ENTÂO 'tava' reclamando porque o treinador lá faz muitas mudanças, tira mete...By the way it doesn't make many sense for him to say "he wasn't complaining because the coach make a lot of changes".And in the first question, he lost himself a little bit, but it makes sense for him to talk about the past because the question was: "Do you think that TODAY Oscar is the only pure CAM in Brazil?". Maybe he drinks too much,,, but here he has to say that football changed and Brazil can't expect to have players like they had in the past. This is also because he sees (and everyone can see that) that this team in tearms of quality is really far from beeing as good as many others that Brazil had in history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 In my opinion he said clearly: "So he was complaining / "então ele 'tava' reclamando"Ele está bem fisicamente. ELe não tem jogado... problema mais do Mourinho do que dele.Querer jogar ele quer, e ele gosta de jogar e ele não estava confortável com essa situação. Conversamos e ele até se abriu um pouco... ENTÂO 'tava' reclamando porque o treinador lá faz muitas mudanças, tira mete...By the way it doesn't make many sense for him to say "he wasn't complaining because the coach make a lot of changes".And in the first question, he lost himself a little bit, but it makes sense for him to talk about the past because the question was: "Do you think that TODAY Oscar is the only pure CAM in Brazil?". Maybe he drinks too much,,, but here he has to say that football changed and Brazil can't expect to have players like they had in the past. This is also because he sees (and everyone can see that) that this team in tearms of quality is really far from beeing as good as many others that Brazil had in historyI'm not quite sure you understand Portuguese that well tbh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Thanks to Barbara and Rmpr for clearing things up ... Suggest some posters reflect on what they posted Barbara and Rmpr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm not quite sure you understand Portuguese that well tbh...I'm portuguese, so I think that at least I understand portuguese as well as you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura90 556 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm not quite sure you understand Portuguese that well tbh...I'm curious.. I tend to agree with Rom, as I did last night.In fact I wanted to translate it (not as good as you and Barbara of course) but he was faster.I also have a friend who is learning Portugese and he told me that translation is 'he was complaining'.So, can you tell me how is said in Portugese - by using the same words (expressions) -He was complainingHe wasn't complainingIn words, I'll figure out pronunciation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm curious.. I tend to agree with Rom, as I did last night.In fact I wanted to translate it (not as good as you and Barbara of course) but he was faster.I also have a friend who is learning Portugese and he told me that translation is 'he was complaining'.So, can you tell me how is said in Portugese - by using the same words (expressions) -He was complainingHe wasn't complainingIn words, I'll figure out pronunciation.In my opinion he said: "Então 'tava' (estava) reclamando"/ So... he was complaning"In the opinion of Barbara he said: "Ele não 'tava' reclamando" or "Não 'tava' reclamando" /"he wasn't complaining"To be fair right now I'm not sure, because he pronounced that word in a strange way. I think he said "Então" but I can't be sure, because in that word his diction is far from perfect. laura90 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I'm curious.. I tend to agree with Rom, as I did last night.In fact I wanted to translate it (not as good as you and Barbara of course) but he was faster.I also have a friend who is learning Portugese and he told me that translation is 'he was complaining'.So, can you tell me how is said in Portugese - by using the same words (expressions) -He was complainingHe wasn't complainingIn words, I'll figure out pronunciation.In my opinion he said: "Então 'tava' (estava) reclamando"/ So... he was complaning"In the opinion of Barbara he said: "Ele não 'tava' reclamando" or "Não 'tava' reclamando" /"he wasn't complaining"To be fair right now I'm not sure, because he pronounced that word in a strange way. I think he said "Então" but I can't be sure, because in that word his diction is far from perfect.Parreira said: "Ele nao tava reclamando". It is crystal clear, Barbara or any other Brazilian can back me up on this... laura90 and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Thanks to Barbara and Rmpr for clearing things up ... Suggest some posters reflect on what they postedExcuse me, but are you on an afternoon Portugees lesson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I know, but it's all politics!The good thing is Felipão is the real guy in charge and I trust him...I completely agree with Parreira concerning Gary from a Brazilian perspective: he would never make the squad. Like I said many times over its a cultural thing and brazilians value attacking and technique in general too much to accept a no nonsense defender like Gary.Terry wouldn't either because he'd be considered too slow for the usual high defense line Brazil employs. Though i've seen a pairing of slow and quick work well even with different setups. Concerning Oscar, I hope he IS uncomfortable because Jose is uncomfortable with Oscar's form. A top player who is comfortable sitting on the bench doesn't belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Parreira said: "Ele nao tava reclamando". It is crystal clear, Barbara or any other Brazilian can back me up on this...I don't care that much about it but if you understand crystal clear that he said "Ele não" you are lying in my opinion.Why?Because Parreira in that video said at least 2 times "Ele não". In minute 0:56 "Ele não tem jogado" , and 1:04 "Ele não tava muito confortável". And for you he said crystal clear the same thing in minute 1:09?Are you joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rmpr 8,977 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 I don't care that much about it but if you understand crystal clear that he said "Ele não" you are lying in my opinion.Why?Because Parreira in that video said at least 2 times "Ele não". In minute 0:56 "Ele não tem jogado" , and 1:04 "Ele não tava muito confortável". And for you he said crystal clear the same thing in minute 1:09?Are you joking?Ok dude, you clearly understand it better than 3 Brazilians who have already posted in here! Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom2013 446 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Ok dude, you clearly understand it better than 3 Brazilians who have already posted in here! No, you did. Crystal clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Ok dude, you clearly understand it better than 3 Brazilians who have already posted in here! Well That's why fat Walter flopped in Portugal: couldn't adapt to the language... Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 If Oscar complained or not...the only thing that is important is that he improves next season big time and fulfills Jose trust in him.As far as Im concerned, he should stick his mouth closed, he had downfall in second half and its his own fault that he got benched eventualy. But its clear he wasnt with his head at Chelsea for quite some time now... RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyalBlues 4,050 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 The last thing we need is that media starting to make out stories like Oscar unhappy at Chelsea, Oscar want to leave because of Mourinho's treatment, Torres signed new contracts, Cavani to United, and so on. Rmpr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 If Oscar complained or not...the only thing that is important is that he improves next season big time and fulfills Jose trust in him.As far as Im concerned, he should stick his mouth closed, he had downfall in second half and its his own fault that he got benched eventualy. But its clear he wasnt with his head at Chelsea for quite some time now...Agree just bear in mind he dindnt complain. Parreira was the one who said what he shouldnt have. Oscar explained his situation to Parreira, brazil assistant coach. Rmpr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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