BlueSanti 290 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I think he does deserve credit actually.Without him being such a crap manager with us and benching Lampard, as one example, I doubt Lampard would have felt frustrated and like he had something to prove in the games vs. Napoli (home), both Barcelona games and the Bayern final, where I personally believe he played outstanding.Lampard would have played outstanding in those matches every time. He is fucking Frank Lampard, guys putting more effort to match just because his previous performance was shit compared to his standarts.He played brilliantly just because he is Super Frank, not because he was benched. No one would belive this if there weren't media creating bullshit about Lampard's revolt. Biggest profesional in football world and yet people still may belive he sacked Boas ( I am not saying this is your case, just to asure you ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 lol, this is the same Kalou who was used in pretty much every single match by RDM as he could provide a lot of help to the defense. That was the only reason he was getting any appearances at all.Look, I'm not trying to justify every single thing the man did. I know he made plenty of mistakes and even though I supported him 100% when he was our manager, I have realised and understood what others were talking about. I definitely agree with a lot of points BluesMaster makes regarding his kamikaze attacking naivety and so on, but blaming him for subbing Kalou on.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy. 2,742 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 he only gets my credit for puoing up 'the old gaurd' thanks about it from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Yes at times the tactics did appear strange but you have to put it into context. Roman Abramovich paid a world record fee to bring him to Chelsea to play a certain style of football, that's a fact. AVB will have been fully aware of Roman's ambition for beautiful football at Chelsea from their meetings, Roman will have given AVB his vision for the club and AVB was given the job of implementing that vision. This is what led to games like the 5-3 loss to Arsenal, AVB felt the need to play an open, attractive style of football because that is what he was brought to the club to do and because that is his football philosophy, unfortunately we didn't have the players to play that way. I also believe AVB would have been disappointed with his squad when the transfer window shut. He got Mata and Romeu, two players who suited his type of football, but they were never going to be enough to instigate a full overhaul of the playing style. It was an odd match from the start, a manager with an open, attractive philosophy brought to the club by an owner wanting him to implement that but with a squad of players who were just incapable of playing such a way. It was a battle of two entirely different philosophies and it had disastrous consequences on the pitch. Did Villas Boas make mistakes along the way? Sure, his man management certainly could have been better but I also dont think he approved of the player power at Chelsea and wasn't entirely sold on Lampard as a long term feature in his plans. Had Villas Boas had a squad without Drogba, Bosingwa, Kalou and had a squad with Hazard, Marin and Oscar (hopefully) then his chances of succeeding at Chelsea would have increased hugely. I believe he is a quality manager, tactically terrific and plays the game the right way but at Chelsea he was entrenched in a catch 22, he wanted and was told to play beautiful football but the players were unable to do that, while the squad were far more comfortable reverting back to their physical style but neither the coach nor the owner wanted that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I can't understand how this is even debatable. He was our manager for most of the season and was behind the signing of players that were key in winning the trophies like Mata and Cahill. Of course he deserves some of the credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 AVB needs to shut his mouth. I thought he was annoying as our manager - as Spurs manager he's proving to be an even bigger loudmouth than I originally thought. He is quite obviously trying to replicate Mourinho's trademark arrogance, but he lacks the cheek and the charisma to pull it off. Mourinho is, in effect, constantly trolling the average football reporter. Villas-Boas is also trolling with a quite poor impression of his mentor, and its frankly embarrassing. What he is suggesting, is that Scolari should also be given a winner's medal for the 2009 FA Cup win. And, by extension, since this is also mainly Ancelotti's squad, he should be getting a Champions League medal too, etc. etc. What a tool the man is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSanti 290 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 AVB needs to shut his mouth. I thought he was annoying as our manager - as Spurs manager he's proving to be an even bigger loudmouth than I originally thought. He is quite obviously trying to replicate Mourinho's trademark arrogance, but he lacks the cheek and the charisma to pull it off. Mourinho is, in effect, constantly trolling the average football reporter. Villas-Boas is also trolling with a quite poor impression of his mentor, and its frankly embarrassing. What he is suggesting, is that Scolari should also be given a winner's medal for the 2009 FA Cup win. And, by extension, since this is also mainly Ancelotti's squad, he should be getting a Champions League medal too, etc. etc. What a tool the man is.Agree on that poit about Mourinho's trademark arrogance. Brilliant point BlueLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 He is a glorified scout.A poor man's José.He is Mata's uncle.Naïve Villas-Boas.He has Alonso's beard in red.AVB has ADD on the touchline.Journalists aren't his friend.DVD.Stubborness andarrogance in Spades.He likes wine and to whine.Anything I missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakhar 13 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 can`t wait for Chelsea vs Tottenham game!!!!!What will be fans reaction for AVB.....??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,448 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 can`t wait for Chelsea vs Tottenham game!!!!!What will be fans reaction for AVB.....???After seeing the reactions here...what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakhar 13 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 After seeing the reactions here...what do you think?I don`t think it will be whistling,but not clapping definitely!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zakhar 13 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 He is not bad manager(AVB).Just Chelsea is not his club..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 He is a glorified scout.A poor man's José.He is Mata's uncle.Naïve Villas-Boas.He has Alonso's beard in red.AVB has ADD on the touchline.Journalists aren't his friend.DVD.Stubborness andarrogance in Spades.He likes wine and to whine.Anything I missed?That's just bitter.The only reasons he is likened to Mourinho is because he worked for Mourinho and is Portugese. In reality his football philosophy is completely different to that of Mourinho's.I suppose they do look alike.I dont think he is naive at all, for reasons I pointed out in my earlier post on this thread.Yes.I dont see why a manager cant be animated on the touchline, look at Guardiola on the touchline.One of the main reasons things went so badly at Chelsea, he didn't get all pally with the English media, as they expect you to, and so he was cast as a villain.DVD's are an important part of modern football, Pep Guardiola made great use of DVD's to scout the opposition and also inspirational DVD's to show his players before games.I dont think he was necessarily stubborn, he was brought in on the back of a world record fee to implement a certain kind of football, that was his job. I dont think he is overly arrogant either, confident yes.What manager doesn't have the occasional moan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,543 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 i agree that he deserves credit. but it`s marginal.and agree with him that it`s not down to one man.his high line didnt work for us but i do believe the fact that several players quitting on him and for a while the honour of the badge should take some blame too.the credit i give him in helping us win is that he kept some of our better players fresh for the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,543 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 just to add. with AVB one thing keeps entering my mind when i think of him,the writing was on the wall from the start but i guess we were all too optimistic to see it at the time.if a player is not in the team he doesn`t explain to them why.you can think pampered ego`s or whatever but if you not selected for whatever reason if you are a youngster or a veteran..you should always know why. **this only applies to club sides tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 That's just bitter.The only reasons he is likened to Mourinho is because he worked for Mourinho and is Portugese. In reality his football philosophy is completely different to that of Mourinho's.I suppose they do look alike.I dont think he is naive at all, for reasons I pointed out in my earlier post on this thread.Yes.I dont see why a manager cant be animated on the touchline, look at Guardiola on the touchline.One of the main reasons things went so badly at Chelsea, he didn't get all pally with the English media, as they expect you to, and so he was cast as a villain.DVD's are an important part of modern football, Pep Guardiola made great use of DVD's to scout the opposition and also inspirational DVD's to show his players before games.I dont think he was necessarily stubborn, he was brought in on the back of a world record fee to implement a certain kind of football, that was his job. I dont think he is overly arrogant either, confident yes.What manager doesn't have the occasional moan?If you think that is bitter et al, you entirely missed the point. I was satirising the media's opinion on AVb and other common thoughts and opinions on AVB. It was fairly weak effort, but my own brand of satire, nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 this thread isn't worth a mention, he didnt EVEN SAY what de media did wanted ppl to think he has... so close this for me... its not because of AVB Criticisim its about the nonsens of this Thread... imho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 AVB needs to shut his mouth. I thought he was annoying as our manager - as Spurs manager he's proving to be an even bigger loudmouth than I originally thought. He is quite obviously trying to replicate Mourinho's trademark arrogance, but he lacks the cheek and the charisma to pull it off. Mourinho is, in effect, constantly trolling the average football reporter. Villas-Boas is also trolling with a quite poor impression of his mentor, and its frankly embarrassing. What he is suggesting, is that Scolari should also be given a winner's medal for the 2009 FA Cup win. And, by extension, since this is also mainly Ancelotti's squad, he should be getting a Champions League medal too, etc. etc. What a tool the man is.Thats totally unfair. Did you even think to consider what the reporters' question was? Maybe they were heckling him to get an answer? And he can't just reject the question can he? Did you read the whole quote? Did he ask for a medal? He did not even take credit for the trophies. All he said was he had some part in it which is true to a certain extent. I'm not trying to change your opinion about the man's personality or whatever, but your reaction is way OTT over what is actually a NOTHING comment blown up by the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevemayer 764 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 AVB didn't want to be fired.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzchap 8,966 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I'm not sure I agree of him as a 'Tactical Genius' - in fact, I'm pretty much of the opinion that is where he lacks understanding (in the Premiership anyway)...Yes, he deserves credit for bringing in some players, but then every preceeding manager also deserves credit, right back to Glenn Hoddle and Ruud Gullit - as it was Glenn that started the ball rolling and kudos to him, if it wasn't for his 'Ron Atkinson' moment on disabled people - who knows where he could of ended up in Mgmt...So I think AVB will do an OK job at Spurs - but I think those that are expecting more than Harry - might be in for a shock - he'll do amazingly well to get them to 4th this coming season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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