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I'll eat my hat if van Aanholt or Bertrand are still at Chelsea come September 1st/2nd. Be it sold or loaned out, i think they're goners

It is a shame thats what most likely will happen. No chance for our academy players even for a backup.
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The Skipper > I was looking at the aerial duels won per game, where RR has roughly double the amount. Of course it is possible that Shaw will improve, but at the moment RR strikes me as better. I followed both Soton and Wolfsburg for 10+ games this season (which you of course might have done aswell) and I can not help but feel that RR is the one who threatens more in the air. I do not actually base my whole argument on who is the better player by checking WS, it is just a tool to improve ones understanding as no one actually sits and counts the amount of interceptions and tackles etc. We know that Matic is good, but statistics let us understand what elements of the game he really excells in.

You're probably right in saying that RR has the edge in the air; he's definitely has won more than double but he has also lost more than double. If we take it on the average, which I think is a fairer reflection, they both win 55% of their aerial duels. RR is perhaps better in the air but my whole response was in regards to your original point i.e. thinking Shaw is a liability or weak in the air which he isn't as those stats reflect. Taking into account his physical build and height as well... Shaw isn't an Ivanovic (barely any fullbacks are) in the air but he is definitely solid enough. Solid enough to not call him "weak in the air" anyway.

I also have no problem in you using WS as a reference to back up your points because if used correctly it definitely enhances an argument - just didn't agree with you on saying Shaw is weak in the air.

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It is a shame thats what most likely will happen. No chance for our academy players even for a backup.

Why would we give them a chance if they aren't good enough? Neither of those two are good enough to consistently start for us.

Annoys the shit out of me when people say this constantly. We are a club competing for the highest honors and every single match is important. We can't afford to just throw in a teenager in this day and age unless he's an exceptional, potentially world class talent. Even matches against bottom table sides aren't sure things anymore as we proved last season.

Unless this teenager is like Luke Shaw who has proven himself against proper competition then it's too risky. Our academy players who look amazing at that level would most likely get ripped apart at PL level. Only a couple of them could probably blend right away and PVA isn't one of them. Not nearly good enough for a top European side.

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Why would we give them a chance if they aren't good enough? Neither of those two are good enough to consistently start for us.

Annoys the shit out of me when people say this constantly. We are a club competing for the highest honors and every single match is important. We can't afford to just throw in a teenager in this day and age unless he's an exceptional, potentially world class talent. Even matches against bottom table sides aren't sure things anymore as we proved last season.

Unless this teenager is like Luke Shaw who has proven himself against proper competition then it's too risky. Our academy players who look amazing at that level would most likely get ripped apart at PL level. Only a couple of them could probably blend right away and PVA isn't one of them. Not nearly good enough for a top European side.

This.. i would love to see Chelsea produce top notch talents, but some of these players just aren't good enough. They arent tearing it up on loans right now, what makes people think they can have a big impact on a star studded Chelsea squad? The academy players that play will be the ones that deserve it and show the most potential, like Baker.

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The Skipper > I looked over my previous post and it was a typo at the end, I meant to write "weaker" rather than "weak", so you are correct in adressing that.

As for the aerial duels it is generally a better accomplishment to keep a ratio where the frequency is higher. If Shaw won 6/10 duels that would give him the higher %, but the sample would not indicate consistency. Shaw is however not weak in the air, that is true.

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This.. i would love to see Chelsea produce top notch talents, but some of these players just aren't good enough. They arent tearing it up on loans right now, what makes people think they can have a big impact on a star studded Chelsea squad? The academy players that play will be the ones that deserve it and show the most potential, like Baker.

Would you rather have Chalobah starting for us or Pogba banging them in from 30 yards? I know which one I would like.

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Would you rather have Chalobah starting for us or Pogba banging them in from 30 yards? I know which one I would like.

Or why not both? I.e. Matic gets injured and Chalobah replaced him for a few games.

Chalobah - Pogba is still a very good pivot.

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Or why not both? I.e. Matic gets injured and Chalobah replaced him for a few games.

Chalobah - Pogba is still a very good pivot.

Yep this would definitely be the best option. The thing is with some people there is no middle path, just homegrown academy players are expected. Also imo that might work well but eventually the sub will likely want to leave if he is truly ambitious enough and good enough i.e Courtois, Lukaku, Tiago a few years ago. Imo eventually we will have to commit to one, buying best young talents or let good talented players from the academy into starting 11. Me personally as long as success keeps on coming I wouldn't mind either too.

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Why would we give them a chance if they aren't good enough? Neither of those two are good enough to consistently start for us.

Annoys the shit out of me when people say this constantly. We are a club competing for the highest honors and every single match is important. We can't afford to just throw in a teenager in this day and age unless he's an exceptional, potentially world class talent. Even matches against bottom table sides aren't sure things anymore as we proved last season.

Unless this teenager is like Luke Shaw who has proven himself against proper competition then it's too risky. Our academy players who look amazing at that level would most likely get ripped apart at PL level. Only a couple of them could probably blend right away and PVA isn't one of them. Not nearly good enough for a top European side.

As a backup I don't think it would be a problem. Take Kalas against Pool as an example. If they given a chance in a big game they will perform as the game of their life(s). Also they could play against lesser team or between CL games for sure. You maybe right for Bertrand (even though he played brilliant as a midfielder in Munich), as I could see he would never get a call up for England with Shaw around, but I don't think PVA is that bad. He is included in Netherlands provisional squad for WC. I don't think he will be there if he is 'that bad'.

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Is Chalobah really that good? I still think of him as a CB, and from what I've seen Baker/Swift/RLC are more promising midfielders.

Watched a lot of Chalobah over the years, his true position IMO is as a DM. Certainly good enough to be our back up DM, also ahead of those you've mentioned in his development.
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Pochettino officially confirmed as new Spurs boss, maybe we'll hear about where Shaw's going soon.

He seems like a big step up to the previous managers.

Really a team now to be careful of.

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Pochettino officially confirmed as new Spurs boss, maybe we'll hear about where Shaw's going soon.

doesn't it make Southampton will delay any transfer and we will have to wait until they hire the new manager first?

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He seems like a big step up to the previous managers.

Really a team now to be careful of.

Best they will be challenging for is 3rd/4th and that requires them to be on Harry's team form a couple of years ago(beating the likes of MU, Arsenal, us...etc) so they aren't really a worry for us or City. Well not unless they suddenly decided to sign someone like Cavani. We will finish 1st/2nd next season, I am confident of that.

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Best they will be challenging for is 3rd/4th and that requires them to be on Harry's team form a couple of years ago(beating the likes of MU, Arsenal, us...etc) so they aren't really a worry for us or City. Well not unless they suddenly decided to sign someone like Cavani. We will finish 1st/2nd next season, I am confident of that.

that make two - confident confident. Two(too) confident
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