Eden Hazard

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First Sarri says he will improve Hazard, which is clearly not possible. And now ^^ RM says Hazard is not a galatico... just crazy talk!

Have a feeling he will not go, given the time left in the transfer window. He would only be sold if forced the exit, and I don't think he'd want to tarnish his image having spent so many years at the club. That will not make it any simpler in the next transfer windows though. Personally, I wish he would either sign a new deal or get sold, so that the club can move on.

On a diff subject, watching him in this WC started thinking about his characteristics as a player as well as the things I wish he could do more of when playing so close to the opponent's goal: namely, more chances created and, less importantly, more goals. Under conte he would play very high up the pitch, even as a false 9 on occasion, with little success (IMO). Which I always thought exacerbates his weaknesses more than benefits him as a player.

So I'm wondering whether we shouldn't be doing the opposite: bring him a bit deeper and let him control more of the game. I think that will take place anyway as he grows older and loses pace. It's not like he will change as a player at this stage in his career. It's a big part of Sarri's job to find the best way to use hazard, and perhaps that has not been the case lately with managers forcing him to be what he isn't.

 

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Hazard leaving could cause a chain reaction so better tie down Kante to another 5 year deal already 

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3 hours ago, Robguima said:

First Sarri says he will improve Hazard, which is clearly not possible. And now ^^ RM says Hazard is not a galatico... just crazy talk!

How can you say that Hazard can't be improved? He has been criticised in the past by our own fans, let alone rival fans, that his goalscoring record isn't as good as it perhaps could be given his talents. There have also been numerous arguments on these forums about his consistency at times, ability to rise above being marked out of a game, etc. 

I love Hazard, I think he brings a huge amount to our team, would be nigh on impossible to directly replace and really hope he commits for the rest of his best years at the club. But there are areas of his game he could always improve.

Hopefully Sarri coming in and playing a more expansive, attacking style will get more out of Hazard.

 

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16 hours ago, sainttourist said:

Real toying with us, now 160m is not enough. But in a year time, you won't get even 100m, so lost is huge. Plus all the speculation around and uncertainty. In fact, we already living in this for some time, it just deadline comes close.
Club needs to handle this kind of situations better in the future. Make sure you sign new contract or search for your new club at our asking price. And replacement should be in place. There is no one bigger than the club, it must be the law.
Biggest disappointing here is, that Real not much interesting, they just don't want to miss on top player for cheap.

Something we are really poor at lately.

Either we have to get Hazard or just move on with life without Hazard... like you said making the player look bigger than the club has what has lead us to this situation...

It is a different issue when Lamps, Terry, DD, Cech did it because they were true blues(loyalty was a thing with them) Although I was disappointed to see Lamps in City Blue(that sight still haunts me)

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50 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

How can you say that Hazard can't be improved? He has been criticised in the past by our own fans, let alone rival fans, that his goalscoring record isn't as good as it perhaps could be given his talents. There have also been numerous arguments on these forums about his consistency at times, ability to rise above being marked out of a game, etc. 

I love Hazard, I think he brings a huge amount to our team, would be nigh on impossible to directly replace and really hope he commits for the rest of his best years at the club. But there are areas of his game he could always improve.

Hopefully Sarri coming in and playing a more expansive, attacking style will get more out of Hazard.

 

sorry thought the smiley there would be enough.

Was trying to be ironic (hopefully not sarcastic) and failed. 

I totally agree with you and would love, like I said, that he did do more of the things that I think he does not do enough of. On the other hand I was proposing that perhaps we shouldn't be trying to make him do the things we know he's not so great at and focus on the things he does really well: movement, dribbling and possession - incidentally things that he could also do a bit deeper and perhaps with a bit more space and vision.

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5 minutes ago, Robguima said:

sorry thought the smiley there would be enough.

Was trying to be ironic (hopefully not sarcastic) and failed. 

I totally agree with you and would love, like I said, that he did do more of the things that I think he does not do enough of. On the other hand I was proposing that perhaps we shouldn't be trying to make him do the things we know he's not so great at and focus on the things he does really well: movement, dribbling and possession - incidentally things that he could also do a bit deeper and perhaps with a bit more space and vision.

My bad mate!

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26 minutes ago, Robguima said:

sorry thought the smiley there would be enough.

Was trying to be ironic (hopefully not sarcastic) and failed. 

I totally agree with you and would love, like I said, that he did do more of the things that I think he does not do enough of. On the other hand I was proposing that perhaps we shouldn't be trying to make him do the things we know he's not so great at and focus on the things he does really well: movement, dribbling and possession - incidentally things that he could also do a bit deeper and perhaps with a bit more space and vision.

Ive said for years getting him to focus on shooting more would be counter productive as he's not a great finisher. While it would get him a few more goals and more credit from the hipsters, im certain it would make him a lesser player.

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1 hour ago, bluephoenix said:

Something we are really poor at lately.

Either we have to get Hazard or just move on with life without Hazard... like you said making the player look bigger than the club has what has lead us to this situation...

It is a different issue when Lamps, Terry, DD, Cech did it because they were true blues(loyalty was a thing with them) Although I was disappointed to see Lamps in City Blue(that sight still haunts me)

No offense but i wish fans wouldn't be so naive when it comes to player loyalty. 

Lamps, Terry, DD, Cech were loyal because at the time the club matched the ambition and financial investments that their quality demanded. 

They stayed loyal because they were able to challenge for trophies surounded by other quality players while getting well paid. 

It was in their best interest to stay so they stayed. That's why Lampard went to Man City at the end because it was in his best interest to do so. 

 

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1 hour ago, Tomo said:

Ive said for years getting him to focus on shooting more would be counter productive as he's not a great finisher. While it would get him a few more goals and more credit from the hipsters, im certain it would make him a lesser player.

Right, but it’s a bit of a requirement when he’s field so high up the pitch... to create or score. Because someone has to dot it... the whole point is to score goals.

move him back a bit, perhaps at the tip of a 3-men midfield with freedom to roam when the opportunity arises. Similar to what fabregas has done in certain games.

We would  need, prob do anyway, more goal scorers in the squad. It can’t be all down to the striker.

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The thing is how can we use Eden to our/his best advantage in a Sarri System? Use him in the Insigne role.

The combination of a new forward thinking mentality and more CREATIVE players that can get the balls to him when he puts himself in the right position will bring out the best in him

Ever since day 1 I have always had a problem with his character/mentality and have just wanted him to be the full of confidence, happy bouncy cheeky tongue poking out Eden that can fuck the world up!

I really do think right now (with a couple of incoming) he can be that Eden.

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5 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

No offense but i wish fans wouldn't be so naive when it comes to player loyalty. 

Lamps, Terry, DD, Cech were loyal because at the time the club matched the ambition and financial investments that their quality demanded. 

They stayed loyal because they were able to challenge for trophies surounded by other quality players while getting well paid. 

It was in their best interest to stay so they stayed. That's why Lampard went to Man City at the end because it was in his best interest to do so. 

 

I am not saying they weren't selfish. We live in a business world where people don't just do favors unless there is something in it for them. All I am saying is they were better off in that ladder. Gerard was another example for Liverpool, he chose to be with them even when the going was tough for Liverpool. I am sure it is not like they couldn't have gotten better offers financially elsewhere they stuck with Chelsea/Liverpool something I think it is getting progressively hard to find in football these days with the kind of money that is floating around.

Maybe you are right had there been this kind of money at time maybe they would have considered but it didn't happen and they didn't leave the club for considerable amount of time. And in the end they left because the club left them no choice and the fact they were aging!

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5 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

That's why Lampard went to Man City at the end because it was in his best interest to do so. 

But he didn't agree to goto Shitty originally did he. The plan was he was going to the States and would be training with Shitty till the league started.

It was the whole FFP bollox what kept him in that disgusting blue shirt. Bastards!

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The thing is how can we use Eden to our/his best advantage in a Sarri System? Use him in the Insigne role.

The combination of a new forward thinking mentality and more CREATIVE players that can get the balls to him when he puts himself in the right position will bring out the best in him

Ever since day 1 I have always had a problem with his character/mentality and have just wanted him to be the full of confidence, happy bouncy cheeky tongue poking out Eden that can fuck the world up/

I really do think right now (with a couple of incoming) he can be that Eden.

What really worries me is if he is set his mind on playing for Real would that be playing at the back of his mind? And the fact we are not in CL

 

 

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Just now, bluephoenix said:

What really worries me if he is set his mind on playing for Real would that be playing at the back of his mind? And the fact we are not in CL

I do hear that loudly.

But then on the other hand I'm thinking if I was him "OK CFC dont want to sel me this season for the money they are offered. No biggie. I'll sign the new contract and take the wage hike for the year. See what its like with new boss and workmates. Try and get CFC into the CL and do our best to put on a good display. And play it by ear next simmer."

Thats how I would look at it anyway.

He might think "Ive had enough. I want to go somewhere I will blend in and not stand out where only 2 clubs win anything."

Its not going to be the same RM thats won the CL 4 from the last 5 years without their goal machine. He needs replacing more over Eden joining them IMO

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I know that Eden has said that he would only leave to goto RM but with these latest links with Barca it has to get us thinking.

What do we think of the suggestion of them using Ousmane Dembele as part of the deal?