Eden Hazard

[Special Juan 27,439]

He hid like the lot of them yesterday, disgraceful performance.

[bigbluewillie 1,859]

2 minutes ago, Special Juan said:

He hid like the lot of them yesterday, disgraceful performance.

I turned off after 2nd went in, Hazard didn't just hide, but like the rest of 'em he downed tools for the whole game.

Truly reprehensible from the lot of 'em

[The Skipper 20,593]

On 13/05/2018 at 6:08 PM, Mana said:

Yes I do want you to leave if you don't sign da ting.

You are slowly damaging the club by refusing to sign the contract, leaving question marks for the club and the fans. If you can't decide, leave ASAP because I don't want half-hearted players in Chelsea.

He’s damaging the club? Not the board who have surrounded him (and others like Kanté) with average players? Put yourself in Eden’s position - I’m sure you would’ve left the club ages ago. The fact that he’s still here and even still thinking about staying shouldn’t be seen as a negative at all. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

4 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

He’s damaging the club? Not the board who have surrounded him (and others like Kanté) with average players? Put yourself in Eden’s position - I’m sure you would’ve left the club ages ago. The fact that he’s still here and even still thinking about staying shouldn’t be seen as a negative at all. 

Mate I totally understand your love of him but just try looking at him without rose tinted blinkers on and think about his bad qualities and what he offers the team.

I think I was quite right when I made my post about him. A player who I like. A player Ive watched and has excited me at times and I have argued with peeps who have been much less patiant than I am.

But I'm looking at him with an unpassionate eye and Ive realized hes just a dribbler and offers us hardly anything else.

We really do need a proper number 10 mate

[akgw13 867]

8 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Mate I totally understand your love of him but just try looking at him without rose tinted blinkers on and think about his bad qualities and what he offers the team.

I think I was quite right when I made my post about him. A player who I like. A player Ive watched and has excited me at times and I have argued with peeps who have been much less patiant than I am.

But I'm looking at him with an unpassionate eye and Ive realized hes just a dribbler and offers us hardly anything else.

We really do need a proper number 10 mate

I think thats a little harsh. I am extremely curious to see what he can do in a free flowing attacking team. The fact he has stayed this long with Jose + Conte is pretty shocking. We saw the best of him last year when Conte let him loose, a positive ive noticed this year is his willingness to hit shots from a bit more distance and a dramatic improvement with his left foot as well.

I would not be upset if Madrid came in and offered us BIG bucks or a player and some cash for him, but if we appoint Sarri I am quite excited to see him in that system. The same things and far worse could have been said about Insigne before Sarri, now look at him.

Eden does need to be a bit more of a catalyst at times when we NEED a moment, but part of that comes down to the system and how the defence is set up to solely stop him and him alone.

[Miki-Liki 405]

Just a dribbler, Jesus Christ. He did have a poor season, but if anyone thinks Chelsea can get a player better than Hazard, they're absolutely deluded. He needs to be offloaded, so that he can be replaced with REAL QUALITY, like Shaqiri or Choupo-Moting, I am sure they will be affordable. Keep Willian the Mediocre, and a washed-up Pedro, and Chelsea might make it through the group stages of the EL.

[Unionjack 7,531]

9 minutes ago, akgw13 said:

I think thats a little harsh. I am extremely curious to see what he can do in a free flowing attacking team. The fact he has stayed this long with Jose + Conte is pretty shocking. We saw the best of him last year when Conte let him loose, a positive ive noticed this year is his willingness to hit shots from a bit more distance and a dramatic improvement with his left foot as well.

I would not be upset if Madrid came in and offered us BIG bucks or a player and some cash for him, but if we appoint Sarri I am quite excited to see him in that system. The same things and far worse could have been said about Insigne before Sarri, now look at him.

Eden does need to be a bit more of a catalyst at times when we NEED a moment, but part of that comes down to the system and how the defence is set up to solely stop him and him alone.

But he doesn't seem to see players in motion. Or times when a triker has got behind the defence. he doesn;t seem to me that he looks up.

OK with everyone saying that he will suit a Sarri system then I will go with that as you know more of him than I do.

But please watch him and TRY to look at his bad points.

Saying that he will go and have a blinder against the Manc twats.

[akgw13 867]

Just now, Unionjack said:

But he doesn't seem to see players in motion. Or times when a triker has got behind the defence. he doesn;t seem to me that he looks up.

OK IF we cant find a proper number 10 - whos actual main jobs are to score goals and assists, then with everyone saying that he will suit a Sarri system then I will go with that as you know more of him than I do.

But please watch him and TRY to look at his bad points.

Saying that he will go and have a blinder against the Manc twats.

I promise you I have no Blinder towards Hazard, i have a real issue with parts of his game and his value to us. I am more open to selling him than majority of Chelsea fans are. In a hypothetical world though, Sarri likes playing inbetween the lines with short detailed passing sequences. Eden is an unbelievable player in tight spaces who makes quick decisions, often too quick for our other players who arent as sure where to be. He absolutely needs to add a 'Selfish' aspect to his game for me. He needs to WANT to go score all these goals the way Salah/Kane/Messi/CR7/Neymar do. He has all the ability to take over games but seemingly the only reason he doesnt is because he doesnt 'feel' like it. 

Eden is a flawed player, same as everyone else in the world besides Messi...I just think IF he does decide to stay and IF we get Sarri he could really bring out the best in Hazard. Perhaps its just wishful thinking on my part though.

[Unionjack 7,531]

16 minutes ago, akgw13 said:

I promise you I have no Blinder towards Hazard, i have a real issue with parts of his game and his value to us. I am more open to selling him than majority of Chelsea fans are. In a hypothetical world though, Sarri likes playing inbetween the lines with short detailed passing sequences. Eden is an unbelievable player in tight spaces who makes quick decisions, often too quick for our other players who arent as sure where to be. He absolutely needs to add a 'Selfish' aspect to his game for me. He needs to WANT to go score all these goals the way Salah/Kane/Messi/CR7/Neymar do. He has all the ability to take over games but seemingly the only reason he doesnt is because he doesnt 'feel' like it. 

Eden is a flawed player, same as everyone else in the world besides Messi...I just think IF he does decide to stay and IF we get Sarri he could really bring out the best in Hazard. Perhaps its just wishful thinking on my part though.

See what does my head in is HE DOES have that ability - which he has shown - to be direct, cut inside and to shoot. And I love him when he does that even if it doesn't come off. But more often instead he passes it back to someone on the edge or outside the box to shoot.  But hes scored some cracking goals and I'm at a loss as to why he goes missing so often. Its got to be some character / attitude problem.

[akgw13 867]

1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

See what does my head in is HE DOES have that ability - which he has shown - to be direct, cut inside and to shoot. And I love him when he does that even if it doesn't come off. But more often instead he passes it back to someone on the edge or outside the box to shoot.  But hes scored some cracking goals and I'm at a loss as to why he goes missing so often. Its got to be some character / attitude problem.

I don't know if its an attitude problem, Hazard has shown himself to be inherently unselfish. He seems like a genuinely nice person and wants to involve his teammates and play beautiful football. He thinks that if someone else has even a sliver of a better chance he will make the proper football play and move it along. The issue is he has so much more talent we all just want him to have a go rather than leave it to someone else even if its the technically proper play. Its an interesting dilemma, one i personally hope Sarri(if he comes) can help with. I selfishly sit here and dream about Insigne pre and now & imagine all the hypothetical optimistic best case scenarios for Hazard. It is hypothetical time  after such a shit year, so I'll choose to live inside my optimistic head for a little while haha

[Tomo 21,733]

53 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

ut I'm looking at him with an unpassionate eye and Ive realized hes just a dribbler and offers us hardly anything else.

He's only carried us on numerous occasions, stepped up during title races while others were flaking harder than a lightweight on an all nighter, literally been our sole attacking threat at times.

I swear no other fans try and downplay there best players like this, your talking about him like he's Adel Taarabt

[Unionjack 7,531]

10 minutes ago, Tomo said:

He's only carried us on numerous occasions, stepped up during title races while others were flaking harder than a lightweight on an all nighter, literally been our sole attacking threat at times.

I swear no other fans try and downplay there best players like this, your talking about him like he's Adel Taarabt

You only read what you want it seems. You go blind to the good things I say about him. But hey oh. Cant have conversations with some peeps.

17 minutes ago, akgw13 said:

I don't know if its an attitude problem, Hazard has shown himself to be inherently unselfish. He seems like a genuinely nice person and wants to involve his teammates and play beautiful football. He thinks that if someone else has even a sliver of a better chance he will make the proper football play and move it along. The issue is he has so much more talent we all just want him to have a go rather than leave it to someone else even if its the technically proper play. Its an interesting dilemma, one i personally hope Sarri(if he comes) can help with. I selfishly sit here and dream about Insigne pre and now & imagine all the hypothetical optimistic best case scenarios for Hazard. It is hypothetical time  after such a shit year, so I'll choose to live inside my optimistic head for a little while haha

I agree mate. Nothing I would love better tham seeing him as the best in the world.

[The Skipper 20,593]

1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

Mate I totally understand your love of him but just try looking at him without rose tinted blinkers on and think about his bad qualities and what he offers the team.

I think I was quite right when I made my post about him. A player who I like. A player Ive watched and has excited me at times and I have argued with peeps who have been much less patiant than I am.

But I'm looking at him with an unpassionate eye and Ive realized hes just a dribbler and offers us hardly anything else.

We really do need a proper number 10 mate

Hazard literally carried us (offensively) to two titles... if you can’t see past the fact that the system is cancerous right now and that that’s affecting almost everyone’s general ability then I don’t know. I’m not really a Hazard fanboy, I just appreciate his talent. He’s one of the most talented attackers in the world. Why would you want to get rid of that instead of adding to it? He isn’t a number 10 either, he’s a wide playmaker. You should have a look at how many chances he’s set up for guys like Morata and Willian this season - he should have way more assists. This is just one example of how he’s way more than just a dribbler. If you think Hazard offers “nothing but dribbles” to the side then I don’t know man, don’t think it’s worth arguing. We’ll just agree to disagree pal. 

When it comes to first 11 players and ability, Hazard is the least of our problems. It’s our failure to surround him with top players/system that actually allows him to maximise his talent that’s caused all this. 

Edit:

Chances created isn’t a great stat but it gives you some sort of overall picture... take a look at this:

Most chances created from open play since 14/15: 
Hazard - 324
Ozil - 293
Eriksen- 285
Sanchez - 272

Assists since 14/15:
Ozil - 41
Eriksen - 40
Sanchez - 28
Hazard - 21

Now, you really can’t say Hazard just dribbles. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

6 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Hazard literally carried us (offensively) to two titles... if you can’t see past the fact that the system is cancerous right now and that that’s affecting almost everyone’s general ability then I don’t know. I’m not really a Hazard fanboy, I just appreciate his talent. He’s one of the most talented attackers in the world. Why would you want to get rid of that instead of adding to it? He isn’t a number 10 either, he’s a wide playmaker. You should have a look at how many chances he’s set up for guys like Morata and Willian this season - he should have way more assists. If you think Hazard offers “nothing but dribbles” to the side then I don’t know man, don’t think it’s worth arguing. We’ll just agree to disagree pal. 

When it comes to first 11 players and ability, Hazard is the least of our problems. It’s our failure to surround him with top players/system that actually allows him to maximise his talent that’s caused all this. 

While I agree with alot of what you say if it was the only season Eden goes for these missing phases it wouldm't be noticed or matter so much

And of course hes not our biggest problem and never even entered my head and I see him as one of the main reasoms other good players might want to come here.

What I'm saying is Im at a complete loss as to why the fuck he cant come out onto the pitch with that cheeky grin and a speing in his step MORE OFTEN instead of looking like his dog died!

I dunno. MAYBE its because hes had some words with Conte he doesnt like? Or hes been asked to play some part he doesnt like? Who knows. But that Eden (the top 3) that roams around wherever they feel they can do best IMO is the best way to play him. Defenders are at a loss then on just who/what/when/where they will pop up next.

I love the guy but alot of times during the years Ive just wanted MORE!

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

20 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

While I agree with alot of what you say if it was the only season Eden goes for these missing phases it wouldm't be noticed or matter so much

And of course hes not our biggest problem and never even entered my head and I see him as one of the main reasoms other good players might want to come here.

What I'm saying is Im at a complete loss as to why the fuck he cant come out onto the pitch with that cheeky grin and a speing in his step MORE OFTEN instead of looking like his dog died!

I dunno. MAYBE its because hes had some words with Conte he doesnt like? Or hes been asked to play some part he doesnt like? Who knows. But that Eden (the top 3) that roams around wherever they feel they can do best IMO is the best way to play him. Defenders are at a loss then on just who/what/when/where they will pop up next.

I love the guy but alot of times during the years Ive just wanted MORE!

You have to start looking at the level of the team and the absurdly negative tactics of our managers before looking at an individual player especially one like Hazard. Hazard was doing just fine before Cunte started with his insane experiments, switching "false 9" and back and forth and then there was the shit show in the Etihad when Hazard was humilated by his manager. A player is only as good as his environment regardless of how good that player is. We can't expect 2014/15 second half of the season miracles from Hazard when our managers continue to be extremely negative and our board fails to sign top class attacking players.  

[Tomo 21,733]

40 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

You only read what you want it seems. You go blind to the good things I say about him. But hey oh. Cant have conversations with some peeps.

Not atall, i just think the criticism towards hazard is truly ridiculous and saying he offers nothing but dribbling is ridiculously harsh. He has played in pragmatic Chelsea sides, is doubled up on because teams know the other players aren't half the threat he is, repeatedly fouled yet just gets on with it and repeatedly delivers the goods. Almost every game he's top of all the positive attacking stats, even in the games he supposedly "disappears". I have never in my life seen as many myth's created about someone as what is with Hazard, from apparently not doing enough to the bizarre notion he has a bad attitude, it's bad enough opposition fans keep on at them.

If you are basing his consistency around what he's like at his very very best then yes he's inconsistent, using the same yardstick even Pele would be inconsistent. But basing consistency in general he is about as consistent as it's possible to get. 

[oldportblue 547]

hazard is already an absolute legend for us, instead of criticizing him for when the whole team is shambolic and the manager it seems has downed tools all season, let's support him and hope the club's surrounds him with a system, manager and players where he can truly flourish. Right now it seems we are not only not helping but putting him an environment that is set up against him (super defensive manager, no consistently top class striker to link up with, being constantly played out of position even though he is our best player etc) and despite all this, he still loves Chelsea and has hinted numerous times recently that he wants to stay.

I really hope we get rid of Conte, bring in a manager that will get the best of Hazard, get a top class striker he can play off of (or maybe Morata will adjust better next season if he stays and become that striker) and just generally put him in a position where he can succeed easier (a world class wing player would help too)

[Tomo 21,733]

13 minutes ago, oldportblue said:

hazard is already an absolute legend for us, instead of criticizing him for when the whole team is shambolic and the manager it seems has downed tools all season, let's support him and hope the club's surrounds him with a system, manager and players where he can truly flourish. Right now it seems we are not only not helping but putting him an environment that is set up against him (super defensive manager, no consistently top class striker to link up with, being constantly played out of position even though he is our best player etc) and despite all this, he still loves Chelsea and has hinted numerous times recently that he wants to stay.

I really hope we get rid of Conte, bring in a manager that will get the best of Hazard, get a top class striker he can play off of (or maybe Morata will adjust better next season if he stays and become that striker) and just generally put him in a position where he can succeed easier (a world class wing player would help too)

He's literally been swimming against a tide for most of his time here.

Him being as good as he has been for us is the equivalent of a defender being a defensive rock for Brendan Rodgers Liverpool, Arsenal of this decade, Peter Bosz's Dortmund or Kevin Keegan Newcastle, something the "he doesn't do enough" brigade don't seem to realize!!!!!!!