Eden Hazard

[MrExcalibur100 7,124]

This is the first time something decisive has come concerning a transfer from Hazard's camp, his father no less. I don't understand the obsession with Madrid though. There's Barcelona and Bayern. Fuck Madrid. Besides they look to be on the decline. 

If Hazard does leave next season I don't trust our board to adequately replace him. Our board hasn't shown any capacity to sign the handful of players out there capable of replacing a player like Eden. I think if this does happen we will go the Spurs route with the Gareth Bale money. 

[nono 791]

I'm excited if he's sold. Just imagine how many Drinkwaters and Zappacostas we can sign with that kind of money.

[LAM09 6,744]

I just don't see us spending a €100m or more on one player, let alone two or three. I don't know the minutiae of our finances, but It doesn't seem likely. I think it's also quite difficult to actually acquire so called "elite" players because most of them are playing for very good clubs and they're very important to those clubs. It's fine to say get in this player or that player, and they have to be world class, but it's easy said than done. On the flipside, if a club wants to sign one of our best players we're not going to let go unless the player desperately wants to leave or a club offers eye watering money for them. That's why I think people need to be more realistic in their expectations. Very few clubs in this country, or even across Europe have world class players in various positions. We certainly aren't the first choice for the elite of the elite either, so our choices will be limited there. 

I'd honestly be shocked if someone close to Hazard's level didn't replace him. I think anyone apart from Messi in the world is obtainable regardless of who they play for & loyality is a thing of the past.

[Blusan Alamb 295]

If Madrid make an approach for Hazard, he will surely leave. The big question is whether they really want Hazard or not..

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 minutes ago, Blusan Alamb said:

The big question is whether they really want Hazard or not..

I know they're probably all bollox but if the reports are anything at all to go by Mz Cristine dont want nothing to do with Eden which I thank her for!

[The Skipper 20,593]

3 hours ago, It's too big said:

I just don't see us spending a €100m or more on one player, let alone two or three. I don't know the minutiae of our finances, but It doesn't seem likely. I think it's also quite difficult to actually acquire so called "elite" players because most of them are playing for very good clubs and they're very important to those clubs. It's fine to say get in this player or that player, and they have to be world class, but it's easy said than done. On the flipside, if a club wants to sign one of our best players we're not going to let go unless the player desperately wants to leave or a club offers eye watering money for them. That's why I think people need to be more realistic in their expectations. Very few clubs in this country, or even across Europe have world class players in various positions. We certainly aren't the first choice for the elite of the elite either, so our choices will be limited there. 

Well, the club literally just released the figures for 16/17 and we made a £15m profit. That’s without CL football and also with the -£40m we had to pay Adidas to terminate the sponsorship. We really aren’t as poor as you’re trying to make out. 

[Jase 43,479]

Wonder if he will get any 'special' treatment from the fans tomorrow. Don't think it'll be anything vile but might be interesting to see.

[DDA 9,690]

4 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Well, the club literally just released the figures for 16/17 and we made a £15m profit. That’s without CL football and also with the -£40m we had to pay Adidas to terminate the sponsorship. We really aren’t as poor as you’re trying to make out. 

Somebody said that we are poor? How can anyone forget that our owner is worth $9billion+ 😂

[Weckerz 3,781]

About time he plays it hard. Perhaps the club will realise after 5 years to buy an attacking mid of similar quality, or at least one that can string a few passes together, is not a headless chicken or too weak to be effective

[LAM09 6,744]

17 minutes ago, Weckerz said:

About time he plays it hard. Perhaps the club will realise after 5 years to buy an attacking mid of similar quality, or at least one that can string a few passes together, is not a headless chicken or too weak to be effective

Lets hope things are about to change with Emenalo out of the picture.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

10 hours ago, Robguima said:

Well I happen to think that Hazard improving in a more attacking side is just wrong and illogical  

why? Because the personal stats, the ones that count when comparing players at the top don’t necessarily increase and often actually decrease...

While the collective attacking output of an attacking side may be higher, the individual stats are divided amongst all attacking players! 

There are only so many assists to be made or only so many goals to be scored. Will a team double the number of goals by sticking a second striker up front? Won’t a single striker score more goals individually if being the focus of the team?

anyway, the (attacking) point is at the very least, debatable.

Yeah you gave me a: he’s a nice guy and loves Chelsea and his life and won’t force a move. Which for me is precisely the reason he will never really compete with the other top players. And I have to confess I don’t particularly buy it: when a top side really wants a player they ultimately get him. 

yes he could force a move like Coutinho is doing right now even when He plays well. It sucks but players do that all the time.

fair enough on the NT but I will refrain my judgement after Russia. 

While i understand the logic you're using i don't think it applies to Hazard because of how efficient he is with the ball.

It's true that a club can only divide a certain number of goals and assists to all the attacking players but we're not talking about a player who takes 150 shots a season, scores 30 + goals a season and "wastes" the ball a lot.

Last season he scored 16 goals but he only took 77 shots. Hazard rarely "wastes" possession. Even when taking on players he has an extremely high success rate. Last season he had a 78% success rate. This season halfway through the season he has an 80 % success rate. 

 So his take on the overall collective pool is small. I just don't see in what part of Hazard's game he'd have to cut back on if he moved to a more attacking side.

Also you're forgetting that a more attacking team will score more goals, so more goals and assists to spread  to the attacking players.

 

"when a top side really wants a player they ultimately get him."  Disagree. If a player really doesn't want to move then there isn't anything a club can do.

Seems like Hazard only wants to go to Real or stay here. He didn't want to go to PSG so he didn't go. 

 

It's not in his personality to forcibly push for a move. He wants to enjoy his football. He doesn't want any kind of drama off the pitch.

[Jase 43,479]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/12/29/chelsea-resume-eden-hazard-contract-talks-target-ross-barkley/

Chelsea will resume contract talks with Eden Hazard in the New Year and are aiming to make it second time lucky by signing Ross Barkley from Everton in January.

Hazard’s father Thierry cast doubt over his son’s Chelsea future by claiming his son had rejected a contract offer while he waits to see if Real Madrid bid for him. But Chelsea are yet to make Hazard a firm contract offer, despite holding talks over a new deal for their star player, whose current deal runs to 2020.

Negotiations will reopen in 2018, when Chelsea will make Hazard an offer in excess of £300,000-a-week in the hope he recommits himself to the club past 2020.

“If you are in a great club and you trust in the club and the ambition of the club, I think it's right to stay,” said head coach Antonio Conte, whose team entertain Stoke City on Saturday.

[Unionjack 7,531]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/conte-hopes-chelseas-great-ambition-will-keep-hazard-away/yjydxigazmvc167enahexy7dt

Conte hopes Chelsea's 'great ambition' will keep Hazard away from Real Madrid

 

Conte thinks he could improve his strike rate to become an even more sought-after attacker. 

“He could score more. If you see the stats, you understand that he can score more goals. That is an aspect he can improve,” Conte said, “When you are a striker, or a No.10, your speciality must be to score.

"I think in this aspect he has a lot of space for improvement. But don't forget he's younger than [Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo]."

[Jase 43,479]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/29/chelsea-eden-hazard-antonio-conte-real-madrid

Chelsea intend to resume contract talks with Eden Hazard in the new year aimed at extending his stay at Stamford Bridge but the player is apparently in no rush to commit his future while it is unclear whether Real Madrid will prioritise his signing this summer.

Hazard, who does not operate with an agent, is contracted to 2020 but, with a new deal first mooted towards the end of last season, has held discussions with the Chelsea hierarchy over an extension on improved terms. No formal offer has been made despite claims to the contrary by Hazard’s father, Thierry, to the Belgian newspaper Le Soir. Hazard senior suggested his son had rejected an offer while he awaits an indication from the Bernabéu whether their long-standing interest is likely to prompt a bid.

Chelsea have no intention of losing the Belgian international and are confident he will eventually sign a new deal. They are close to securing his compatriot, Thibaut Courtois, to a new five-year contract which will make him the highest-paid goalkeeper in the Premier League, and will follow that up with a firm contract proposal to Hazard next month.

[robsblubot 3,503]

2 hours ago, Belgiannutt said:

While i understand the logic you're using i don't think it applies to Hazard because of how efficient he is with the ball.

It's true that a club can only divide a certain number of goals and assists to all the attacking players but we're not talking about a player who takes 150 shots a season, scores 30 + goals a season and "wastes" the ball a lot.

Last season he scored 16 goals but he only took 77 shots. Hazard rarely "wastes" possession. Even when taking on players he has an extremely high success rate. Last season he had a 78% success rate. This season halfway through the season he has an 80 % success rate. 

 So his take on the overall collective pool is small. I just don't see in what part of Hazard's game he'd have to cut back on if he moved to a more attacking side.

Also you're forgetting that a more attacking team will score more goals, so more goals and assists to spread  to the attacking players.

 

"when a top side really wants a player they ultimately get him."  Disagree. If a player really doesn't want to move then there isn't anything a club can do.

Seems like Hazard only wants to go to Real or stay here. He didn't want to go to PSG so he didn't go. 

 

It's not in his personality to forcibly push for a move. He wants to enjoy his football. He doesn't want any kind of drama off the pitch.

I feel you are making good points that are slightly contradictory.

you claims he’s cool and enjoying his football, but at the same time you claim he’s right up there with Ronaldo even mentioning Ronaldo’s drive as something hazard lacks. That I cannot agree with.

hazard in my view lacks creativity esp with the final pass, the assist. I could put money on that his stats would go lower at real esp goals.

no I disagree - they score a bit more goals and it’s mostly due to how terrible the opposition are. Tough games it’s all he same to me.

[Leif 6,006]

It sure gives incentive to watch every second of every game for the rest of this season despite being out of the Premier League race, if you think there's a chance he'll leave.

[The Chels 2,502]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

Wonder if he will get any 'special' treatment from the fans tomorrow. Don't think it'll be anything vile but might be interesting to see.

Chelsea matchgoers seem quite apathetic towards Hazard anyway. They're not particularly vocally supportive of him, in comparison to someone like Willian, say. Our most talented ever player, hardly treated like such by the home crowd.

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

2 hours ago, Robguima said:

I feel you are making good points that are slightly contradictory.

you claims he’s cool and enjoying his football, but at the same time you claim he’s right up there with Ronaldo even mentioning Ronaldo’s drive as something hazard lacks. That I cannot agree with.

hazard in my view lacks creativity esp with the final pass, the assist. I could put money on that his stats would go lower at real esp goals.

no I disagree - they score a bit more goals and it’s mostly due to how terrible the opposition are. Tough games it’s all he same to me.

Sorry but i don't really understand the second sentence. 

I did claim he was enjoying his football. I don't believe i've mentioned Hazard being up there with Ronaldo ?

We' ll have to agree to disagree on that.