Melanicus 5,208 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 We will get him in August mark my words. Porto is trying to be tough, but we are the ones who are dictating the rules. They won't to milk our money as much as possilbe. We will act like we are not interested anymore and later Porto will see that no other club is interested. They will ask us if we are still interested and will lower the price and Hulk will be ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Someone remind me how much zidanne cost.38+7 for the third party = fuck off no thanks.Ridiculous sums of money, and this isn't even taking into account agent fees, bonuses and a £100k plus weekly wage. Time to look at cheaper alternatives, maybe Neymar! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanSnake 1,211 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Someone remind me how much zidanne cost.38+7 for the third party = fuck off no thanks.Ridiculous sums of money, and this isn't even taking into account agent fees, bonuses and a £100k plus weekly wage.Time to look at cheaper alternatives, maybe Neymar! Thought you said cheaper?Would be the same problem with the third rights, plus more money! Think it was last reported 60 million euros! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky 301 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Thought you said cheaper?Would be the same problem with the third rights, plus more money! Think it was last reported 60 million euros!Sorry was just being sarcastic... But this deal with agent and signing fees could get closer to £50 million. not even mentioned his wages over 5 years, which may add £30 million.Reality is this guy should be £20-25 million. And he really should be commanding a wage which would amount to twice what Mata is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kisho 33 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Hopefully we get him in the end at a reduced price. At 45 it is ridiculous so what other good RW options out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themightyblue 443 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 If Moutinho leaves, then Hulk will probably stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 As I know, when we bought Ramires from Benfica, 3rd-party owner had some shares of Ramires too and we managed to complete the deal. Usualy it is previous owner (Porto) who pays the money to these companies. But they want all 38mio, I guess that is why they wanted 45. Because 7mio of those 45 would go for the 3rd company. What will a team like Porto do with all that money anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 If Moutinho leaves, then Hulk will probably stayThen better we do the deal before Spurs get Moutinho. Because I guess then if Hulk leaves, Moutinho will stay Reality is this guy should be £20-25 million. And he really should be commanding a wage which would amount to twice what Mata is on.Sadly he is only RW that is available of such class and also only one that will bring us different options; pace, explosive play, dribbling, crossing, individual actions, free-kick mastering, long shooting, strong physical presence,...I would pay for him up to 40mio, ahead of 10mio Moses, 16mio Schurrle or whoever else. Only Hulk can create imediate impact and different dimensional football. If Porto wants that money, so what, its not yours. Much better then getting Schurrle who will play only bit-part. I cant even imagine him play bigger role here. How? What atributes he has that we would be better then? Reus is 3 classes higher that Schurle and cost 25mio euro, I would never pay more than 10 for Schurrle and I like german players overall, but Hulk or Schurle is something that you cant compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 As I know, when we bought Ramires from Benfica, 3rd-party owner had some shares of Ramires too and we managed to complete the deal. Usualy it is previous owner (Porto) who pays the money to these companies. But they want all 38mio, I guess that is why they wanted 45. Because 7mio of those 45 would go for the 3rd company.What will a team like Porto do with all that money anyway...Use it to sign more young players and rip us a new arsehole when we want to sign one of the young players in the next 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Use it to sign more young players and rip us a new arsehole when we want to sign one of the young players in the next 5 years.I am quite sure about that, they already have James Rodriguez, Moutinho and Danilo along Hulk. Im sure we will be interested in all them.Btw, if Hulk will turn too expensive, what about James Rodriguez? He is not the fastest or strongest player but has brilliant wing play. Much better than halfstrikerhalfwinger Schurle or Moses. Still, no one is better than Hulk, I have feeling he realy wants to play for us and would suit our style great, but if we went after Rodriguez in the end, he might be very dissapointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 We should buy Di Maria in stead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 We should buy Di Maria in steadNo thanks, I watch Madrid and yes, he is fantastic crosser (before injury he made 13 assists in less than 10 games, while closest follower was Messi with 7). But after injury, he didnt play much and wasnt the same player. Little impact on game and what I hated his diving every second. Instead of dribbling, he just fall on ground all time. Plus he would cost 25mio atleast and he is not physicaly strong to expand our attacking options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 No thanks, I watch Madrid and yes, he is fantastic crosser (before injury he made 13 assists in less than 10 games, while closest follower was Messi with 7). But after injury, he didnt play much and wasnt the same player. Little impact on game and what I hated his diving every second. Instead of dribbling, he just fall on ground all time. Plus he would cost 25mio atleast and he is not physicaly strong to expand our attacking options.At least he is more likely to stay out wide hugging the touchline than Mata, Hazard, Marin, Hulk etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Someone remind me how much zidanne cost.38+7 for the third party = fuck off no thanks.Ridiculous sums of money, and this isn't even taking into account agent fees, bonuses and a £100k plus weekly wage. Time to look at cheaper alternatives, maybe Neymar! ?Its not your money and once you will see Moses or whoever made no impact for our team in the end of the season, you will wish we signed the incredible green beast (Hulk). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I am quite sure about that, they already have James Rodriguez, Moutinho and Danilo along Hulk. Im sure we will be interested in all them.Btw, if Hulk will turn too expensive, what about James Rodriguez? He is not the fastest or strongest player but has brilliant wing play. Much better than halfstrikerhalfwinger Schurle or Moses. Still, no one is better than Hulk, I have feeling he realy wants to play for us and would suit our style great, but if we went after Rodriguez in the end, he might be very dissapointed.Much better than half winger half striker Moses and Schurrle, isn't that not exactly what Hulk is though? I would totally be up for signing James Rodriguez instead of Hulk because he has so much more potential and will end up eclipsing Hulk in a year or two. His release clause is more or less 40 million though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 At least he is more likely to stay out wide hugging the touchline than Mata, Hazard, Marin, Hulk etc.I agree on that, but in case Torres wont score, Mata, Hazard or Marin or DiMaria are not exactly specialised shooters or strikers. I see big bonus there in Hulk. He proved that he can be great passer in that season with Falcao and great scorer too. In case Torres fails, it would be great to have someone in attack who can score fom impossible positions and tries to score goal with his own power, not depending on support (whileTorres simply needs that support). Imagine opponent cuts Mata, Hazard,.. from Torres. Who will score then? Dimaria will try to get penalty with diving, while Hulk will actualy try push the defence with some force and shoot from distance. Looking at how great long shot taker he is, that would be big plus to our team.As I said, he would be perfect addition to this creative, technicaly gifted squad we have, yes very expensive, but best option on right wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,887 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 I agree on that, but in case Torres wont score, Mata, Hazard or Marin or DiMaria are not exactly specialised shooters or strikers. I see big bonus there in Hulk. He proved that he can be great passer in that season with Falcao and great scorer too. In case Torres fails, it would be great to have someone in attack who can score fom impossible positions and tries to score goal with his own power, not depending on support (whileTorres simply needs that support).Imagine opponent cuts Mata, Hazard,.. from Torres. Who will score then? Dimaria will try to get penalty with diving, while Hulk will actualy try push the defence with some force and shoot from distance. Looking at how great long shot taker he is, that would be big plus to our team.As I said, he would be perfect addition to this creative, technicaly gifted squad we have, yes very expensive, but best option on right wing.Di Maria is far more creative than Hulk, he isn't as greedy either. If he cut the diving out of his game and wasn't injured as often as he has been the last season or two he'd be talked about as one of the best wingers in the world. He can get to the byline and cross, cut inside and play a killer pass or shoot. Hes also another left footed right winger but he is very good with his right foot also so he can mix it up a bit unlike Hulk who is completely one footed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Much better than half winger half striker Moses and Schurrle, isn't that not exactly what Hulk is though? I would totally be up for signing James Rodriguez instead of Hulk because he has so much more potential and will end up eclipsing Hulk in a year or two. His release clause is more or less 40 million though.Hulk has more abilities than Moses and Schurle together. Speed, stamina, dribbling. What I meant is that if he is given role of winger he will try to dribble, cross or ocasionaly shoot. If he is given more attacking role, he will try to score more and play more centraly. With Schurle or Moses, first is not looking as winger at all, but more like Sturridge who should never be winger. Schurle might have winger position, but he playslilke striker. Give me that ball and will shot. While Hulk always picks best option. Dribbling, cross or direct shot. Moses is somewhere similar to Hulk, but his finishing is far from similar to Hulk and crossing is even worse.Just cant compare Hulk with Moses or Schurle. Yes they are all half winger half strikers, but difference is that Hulk plays one or the other at same time. He passes better, dribbles better etc. He has all atributes to be great winger or striker, while Schurle never looked like winger. Moses is more supporting striker than winger. His assist statistics are not good, his shooting is not excelent, he might create goal scoring chances, but we have that in Mata and Hazard. What we need is wing crosser and Hulk is fantastic at doing that. But also at creating chances, dribbling and shooting. I didnt know James has 40mio clause, too bad, that is similar to Hulk unfortunely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duppy Conqueror 1,557 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Its not your money and once you will see Moses or whoever made no impact for our team in the end of the season, you will wish we signed the incredible green beast (Hulk).yes it`s not our money..(even though it could impact those of us who pay through the turnstiles ) there`s the FFP rules coming soon.however we should not be willing to part our cheeks for porto to fuck us up the arse over Hulk. we have been locked too much on one player in the past there`s always an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 Di Maria is far more creative than Hulk, he isn't as greedy either. If he cut the diving out of his game and wasn't injured as often as he has been the last season or two he'd be talked about as one of the best wingers in the world. He can get to the byline and cross, cut inside and play a killer pass or shoot. Hes also another left footed right winger but he is very good with his right foot also so he can mix it up a bit unlike Hulk who is completely one footed.What you mentioned is something we already have in Mata. What we are missing is pure power and speed, physical presence. Hulk will be our b plan in case we couldnt pass the ball to Torres.And Im sure RM wont sell their first choice winger, unless they can get Silva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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