🇧🇷 David Luiz

[King11Didier 916]

We must make song for him and poster with him.

[Madmax 9,219]

Purely because, if he picked up that first yellow, there's no way he would've made the other silly tackle which he did get booked for.

Not sure about that. He was already on a yellow when he went and ploughed into Shrek last season at the Bridge.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Not sure about that. He was already on a yellow when he went and ploughed into Shrek last season at the Bridge.

True.

Though hopefully he'd have learnt from that

[termninja 5,290]

It's really something to watch Luiz play. You don't know whether he'll make great tackle, get sent of, score a goal or award the opposition a penalty XD

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

[Tomo 21,751]

It's amazing how good his english is after so short time.

Back to him being reckless it fucking annoys me when people use that as a excuse to say he cannot defend when Vidic does what Luiz does but 10 times worse, if ref's had balls Vidic would get sent off 90% of the time he steps on the field. Also Vidic has made some key cock ups in big games before, letting Eto's and Toure past him so easy in the CL final and FA Cup semi prime examples, while Luiz can be a bit reckless sometimes atleast he has class about him, Vidic version of defending is kicking players into thin air, handball's that Suarez would be proud off and tugging shirts back of any player with skill or pace.

It annoys me that Luiz get's labelled a accident waiting to happen but Vidic is 10 times more clumsy than Luiz yet gets branded the best defender in the world for it, its a joke. I dont think i have ever seen a defender or even a player as horrendusly over-rated as Vidic in my life.

rant over but had to be said.

[Randall 315]

He is fantastic and exciting to watch. Simple as that.

[Melanicus 5,208]

If hes learnt this much in 6-7 months, he'll b near fluent in 2 years

[Milan 17,956]

He's at it again

[Ollie 4,400]

I wish we'd use him in midfield sometimes like in the CC to see what he can do there, he's such a great footballer but a rather dodgy defender. I seem to think his true potential isn't used when he's at the back. Ok... he's scored 3 goals for us playing at CB but he coulda had treble that. 2 of those goals were genuine class goals too, not from corners or scraps.

[NiclasCFC 2,582]

He's at it again

"He's my towel" haha Big Pete u Legend!

[DanAdibi! 106]

That might be a tactic AVB can use in the future.

Take out Mikel and move David Luiz up more to attacking role, in those games we need to open up the game badly.

Cause there is no point in having 4 defenders with a team that parks the bus!

Yh this is exactly what I was talking about with my friends today. He obviously has the talent and skills to go forward. We should certainly try him in a defensive midfield position.

[Tomo 21,751]

Ive said it many times if we want to play the defensive high line then this guy is a must against any half decent opposition.

Sorry but i really don't but the he is a dodgy defender shite, he has made a couple of reckless challengers and giving away 2 penalties (one of which was not a penalty and the other we were 3-0 up). Ok he maybe a bit reckless at times but do you want me to get started on the amount of dodgy free kicks Ricardo Carvalho use to give away in dangerous areas yet no-one was claiming he should move to LB or DM.

Manchester United and Manchester City home games last season other examples, i still maintain had he not played we would have lost, because we would not have broken either side down and neither away side created a clear cut opportunity in either match and that was down to Luiz.

Is it a coinsidence that our worst display's in the second half of last season came in the last 2 games after Carlo dropped Luiz? i think not.

Is it a coinsidence our most solid defensive performance of this season came against Levekusen which is so far his only game of this season? i think not.

[Tomo 21,751]

GOt this from his wiki page.

David Luiz arrived in Esporte Clube Vitória at the age of 14 after being released by São Paulo FC,[2] and started playing as a defensive midfielder, almost leaving the club for his poor performances in that position

If you want him in defensive midfield be careful what you wish for.

[Term-X 7,891]

^ The debate on whether he should be blooded as a RB/DM was a flawed one anyway.

If leadership wasn't so vital, him & Ivanovic would start every game.

[Kojo 4,676]

I've only ever made one thread, so i was thinking of making another one, just wanted to see what everyone else thought on these remarks we keep getting on David Luiz.

When we bought David Luiz and he ended up scoring against City and United and putting 10/10 performances in, people where going on about how good he was and he could be the best defender in a few years time, eversince our international break and we played stoke and we were very lucky to draw 1-1, he wasn't in the best of form, but he wasn't bad. It then came to the United match, we had kick off (i believe), lost the ball right away, very poor, John Terry is trying to do the offside trap with no one else participating, Luiz gets the shit because Hernandez was on his side, yes you would of expected better from David Luiz. But it's a gamble, he made a choice to stick a foot in and try and get the ball before Hernandez got it, unfortunately for him and us he got it wrong.

Even now with him back on form, our defender who has been putting in man of the match performances in the back 4, all i hear from commentators is 'ahh well that's the problem, he's to clumsy, needs much more experiece', now this winds me up, any of you people get very sick of this?, this has also changed many other supporters views on David Luiz, other clubs see him as overrated and a very clumsy defender. For me he is just like any other defender in his catagory, take a look at Pepe for Real Madrid, brilliant tackler, makes sure you don't get past him, puts the shits up you and when you get near him, you wont have the ball for much longer, however he concedes many silly free kicks, penalties and has been sent off many times, the same could definitely be said about Vidic also. Samuel for Inter Milan is also similar, David Luiz is a very talented defender and has a huge swag about him when he's on form, he can do anything, even if it means going on a forward run and pick out a pass or go for a shot. Very entertaining and exciting centre back, however i don't think he gets enough credit, as a matter of fact he seems to get talked down to by a lot of people, commentators and writers, what are your thoughts on it?.

[Tomo 21,751]

Good thread.

Its pathetic ive made my feelings clear on this many time, what's funny is they slate him for one bad moment at Old Trafford then the same hypocrites tell us we should not judge Vidic on 3 bad games against Liverpool. Its funny how Luiz is regarded as clumsy for doing things Vidic does more frequently and 10 times worse. If ref's had balls Vidic would spent more time banned than on the pitch.

The United and CIty home games Luiz single handedly won both at both ends of the pitch, it really is that simple had Luiz not played we would have lost to United and maybe sneeked a draw against City, the guy has been a fucking inspiration even in his cameo against Liverpool he done more in 20 minutes than the other players for both teams (bar Meireles) did for the whole match. Also Fulham a week later he kept running back defending and running forward trying to break Fulham down when the rest of the team looked like they were playing cards.

Speaking off the match at Old Trafford i thought he did fantastic considering the early error, Carlo scapegoating him and playing under 70 odd thousand United fans who were and still are clinically obssessed by him.

He has made more interceptions than any other prem player last season and only played half off it, much is made over the 2 pen's he gave away but in one of the games we were 3-0 up and the other one was not even a pen.

He made a couple of mistakes last season but he done much better than Vidic did in his first 6 months in the prem and done better than Alex and Ivanovic did in their first season as a whole and has not made one mistake this season i don't think, all of his play has been spot on and our most solid defensive displays have been with him on the pitch.

I could carry on all day but the point is it annoys me when Luiz gets regarded as a accident waiting to happen based on a couple mistakes, i think the media cannot get over him bullying Wayne their lovechild sad thing is when we play Liverpool he will probally put Gerrard in his place and we will have Scousers obsessed with him aswell as Mancs.

[Kieran. 6,317]

He's very clumsy. I'm surprised he hasn't sorted it out yet.

[Kojo 4,676]

Good thread.

Its pathetic ive made my feelings clear on this many time, what's funny is they slate him for one bad moment at Old Trafford then the same hypocrites tell us we should not judge Vidic on 3 bad games against Liverpool. Its funny how Luiz is regarded as clumsy for doing things Vidic does more frequently and 10 times worse. If ref's had balls Vidic would spent more time banned than on the pitch.

The United and CIty home games Luiz single handedly won both at both ends of the pitch, it really is that simple had Luiz not played we would have lost to United and maybe sneeked a draw against City, the guy has been a fucking inspiration even in his cameo against Liverpool he done more in 20 minutes than the other players for both teams (bar Meireles) did for the whole match. Also Fulham a week later he kept running back defending and running forward trying to break Fulham down when the rest of the team looked like they were playing cards.

Speaking off the match at Old Trafford i thought he did fantastic considering the early error, Carlo scapegoating him and playing under 70 odd thousand United fans who were and still are clinically obssessed by him.

He has made more interceptions than any other prem player last season and only played half off it, much is made over the 2 pen's he gave away but in one of the games we were 3-0 up and the other one was not even a pen.

He made a couple of mistakes last season but he done much better than Vidic did in his first 6 months in the prem and done better than Alex and Ivanovic did in their first season as a whole and has not made one mistake this season i don't think, all of his play has been spot on and our most solid defensive displays have been with him on the pitch.

I could carry on all day but the point is it annoys me when Luiz gets regarded as a accident waiting to happen based on a couple mistakes, i think the media cannot get over him bullying Wayne their lovechild sad thing is when we play Liverpool he will probally put Gerrard in his place and we will have Scousers obsessed with him aswell as Mancs.

I should of credited you on my post to be honest, i do remember it was you who used to go on about Vidic making more mistakes than Luiz, totally agree with that. Very good post you made there, the Liverpool match he basically almost got man of the match and he only played 20 minutes as you said, brilliant defender, he got a bit out of form after the stoke match but he was never under performing. Luiz is a player who puts tackles in and basically is the daring one in the defence, he will go for that slide tackle, and you have to accept players like that are going to get cards and make mistakes. However with Luiz positves totally outweight the negatives by miles, he has done so much for us and only at 24 he should have a very good future, the reason why i made this thread is i don't see why people name him as a clumsy and reckless defender, when he clearly isn't, you need to take a look at other defenders in his catagory. Vidic as probably the biggest example.

[Kojo 4,676]

He's very clumsy. I'm surprised he hasn't sorted it out yet.

Why do you think that?, he's not clumsy he goes in for the tackle and if he gets it wrong people think he's clumsy. The one against Birmingham was uncessary yes!, but what he's doing is making a name for himself, if he got it right and got the ball, the oppesition would know he's a fucking beast, defenders have to make reputations for themselves, so it unerves the oppenent, especially defenders like David Luiz. You can go on about all this experience he needs but at the end of the day what experience?, i don't think it will make him better, it will just make him be less aggressive, and i would much rather have him more aggressive, because he's better that way. You can't have a defender to perfect, it's just not possible, you have to pshycic, every big tackle is a gamble, and when people want him to be less 'clumsy', that will be meaning he will be giving oppenents more time on the ball instead of closing them down, now if he does that and the oppesition score. People will complain about how much Luiz is giving the openent time on the ball, people just need to accept David Luiz is that defender who will make mistakes, because he simply has to, no one can be that perfect.