🇧🇷 David Luiz

[The_Flash 1,144]

Oh, my replies are embarrassing are they? LOL. Alright. I REALLY don't care what you feel, I was merely pointing out your extremely flawed logic. It's not the first time either, and I fear it might not be the last.

Enjoy the Champions League Final, make sure to watch out for Mata, he might run on the pitch and express his hatred for Chelsea!

Haha I'll look out for that

[Azpinator 2,325]

Great moments.

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

The shit Salah is getting is utterly laughable and baseless, it seems some people just have there favourites and stubbornly stick to it, i wonder if these are the same people that kept hyping KDB as the second coming of christ.

Another thing, Salah DID NOT replace Mata in any way apart from timing, Mata's role and importance to the team were replaced by Willian, who may not get the fancy stats (probably would as well if he got the type of free role Mata got under Benny mind) but is crucial to the balance and stability of this side.

Regarding Luiz, my opinion off him as a player still stands, his mistakes are blown massively out off proportion and next to Thiago Silva in a system that suits him im certain we will see a different animal. Feels like yesterday i witnessed him produce imo the most complete game by a defender i have seen for Chelsea vs City under Carlo, thought he was going to turn into the best player in the clubs history after that game, i really did.

Willain has never had solid assists even at Shaktar, he simply does not have the game winning abilities of Mata period

[Vybz Kartel 1,613]

I still can't get over it, £50m for Luiz after they've been fined £48m for FFP, it's unbelievable. I like David Luiz but you cannot turn down an offer l like that unless it's for Hazard. Of all players, Luiz? He's class but worth around £25m imo, the stats prove that we're better without him. It's an incredible offer. This deal could actually win us the league. We were probably gonna splash the cash anyway, but now we can go all out and get the dream striker. I cannot wait for the deals to start happening. Incredible.

Because parking the bus suits Terry and Cahil thts why we had those good stats, we werent playing football

[Viper22 2,418]

Mourinho seems to have a personal agenda with players who got along well with Rafa Benitez

You've got a personal agenda with logic.

[YouNameIt 1,511]

He's not a midfielder and as a defender he's more often than not useless, in my opinion.

If Cahill is worth £9 million then no, I don't think Luiz is worth even £15 million.

Stuipid comparison. If you compare with what we BOUGHT cahill for, then is torres worth 50m today?

Anyway, if you honestly think luiz isnt worth more than 15m then you are so blind and ignorant that its hilarious.

[Jase 43,479]

sorry, Alex.

That's nonsense... Are you saying Luiz is more often than not useless as a defender? Not worth even 15m?

mate, that was bushman level, sorry to disagree massively.

Also, no doubts PSG will have one of the best, if not the very best defensive partnership in the world if they don't sell Silva. Luiz and Silva is a match made in heaven for defending, they compliment each other very well.

:lol:

That deserves to be the post of the year!

[Special Juan 28,141]

I'm away has he really gone for 50m

[Special Juan 28,141]

Get in you little dancer

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Stuipid comparison. If you compare with what we BOUGHT cahill for, then is torres worth 50m today?

Anyway, if you honestly think luiz isnt worth more than 15m then you are so blind and ignorant that its hilarious.

You're the one being dismissive of other people's opinions because they don't adhere to your own narrow-minded view of the world. You believe that because you predicted we'd somehow win the UCL in 2012 that your word is gospel, and anyone who challenges your opinion is incorrect. So remind me who's being "blind and ignorant"?

:lol:

That deserves to be the post of the year!

Why, because it's obscenely ignorant? I must have missed the memo that said all people who don't condone to the majority view are idiots. I have never once slagged off Luiz as a player. That's what is frustrating about him, he has all the technical ability in the world, but he's a walking brainfart of a defender.

[Jase 43,479]

You're the one being dismissive of other people's opinions because they don't adhere to your own narrow-minded view of the world. The only person being "blind and ignorant" is you, little boy.

Why, because it's obscenely ignorant? I must have missed the memo that said all people who don't condone to the majority view are idiots.

I was referring to the part where she made the Bushman reference, not the point.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I was referring to the part where she made the Bushman reference, not the point.

The Bushman reference is equally ignorant/rude IMO.

[Jase 43,479]

The Bushman reference is equally ignorant/rude IMO.

Was just laughing at it as its meant to be on the surface, nothing more. I apologize if I have made it seem like it was otherwise.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

Was just laughing at it as its meant to be on the surface, nothing more. I apologize if I have made it seem like it was otherwise.

No apology necessary, and I have taken absolutely no offensive from either your post or from Barbara's! I'm made of far sterner stuff than that!

To me, saying "Bushman level" is very disrespectful to Bushman himself, who, despite taking the role of devil's advocate to the most extreme level, is capable of some very good posts.

And when I previously spoke about this, I repeatedly said that Rafa 'making Luiz a better defender' was a myth. If people paid enough attention to his form, Luiz ALWAYS had good form at the end of a season and he ALWAYS started seasons terribly. In that way, yes, he was consistent at being inconsistent. It's like he always needed a number months to adapt to the PL all over again. But every team, not just us, needs a defender who is good for the entire season, not half of it.

Yes, if by 'system' you mean teams that are attacking 'top heavy', play attractive football and win next to nothing? All of those teams are heavily reliant on blowing teams away with their attacking prowess or possession based football. However, their defending always leaves something to be desired - their unbalance is what stops them from challenging on all fronts and that is why these sorts or teams will rarely dominate in the PL.

- City's defence aren't reliable and can't defend without Kompany - they are the exception rather than the rule, they can get away with it because of the amount of quality strikers they can 'afford' (by breaking FFP). However, they can't even buy a spot in the late stages of the CL and won the PL because we and Liverpool threw it away. Hardly convincing.

- Arsenal are too reliant on possession football, leave too much space in behind, get slaughtered on the counter-attack and won 1 trophy in 9 years.

- Liverpool play great football, but simply can't defend for their lives.

Yes, Luiz would probably look fantastic in these teams, but he'd win very little. However, he'll win a lot with the likes of PSG, Munich, Barca domestically because their leagues are so terrible, but when it comes to Europe, these very exploitable weaknesses would still exist.

Mourinho is trying to build a team with no such weaknesses, and he's starting by getting a reliable defence.

I'd rep you ten times over if I could. Wholeheartedly agree. No-one is saying Luiz is a bad footballer. The argument is he too inconsistent, and thus too unreliable to be a first-choice centre back for Chelsea FC. Great post son.

[bushman 2,043]

Oh boy. Suddenly, I am in the middle of the conflict here? Nothing unusual, they say. Somehow, Barbara got me in this trouble. I don't ridicule her litany & she should not centre me out either.

Some folks loved Luiz for his clowning, I didn't. That's all folks. No harm done.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

To me, saying "Bushman level" is very disrespectful to Bushman himself, who, despite taking the role of devil's advocate to the most extreme level, is capable of some very good posts.

Hahahahahahahahaha good one!

[bushman 2,043]

Hahahahahahahahaha good one!

Scouse,

Do you think my popularity is rising now? Pretty soon, I am in for the mod though. Plenty of Brazilians will be thrilled.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

Scouse,

Do you think my popularity is rising now? Pretty soon, I am in for the mod though. Plenty of Brazilians will be thrilled.

You're easily one of the most likable guys on the forum, how you're not yet a mod I do not know. You're the voice of the people..............

[bushman 2,043]

You're easily one of the most likable guys on the forum, how you're not yet a mod I do not know. You're the voice of the people..............

That´s exactly what I thought. We love Scouse.

[The Skipper 20,609]

And when I previously spoke about this, I repeatedly said that Rafa 'making Luiz a better defender' was a myth. If people paid enough attention to his form, Luiz ALWAYS had good form at the end of a season and he ALWAYS started seasons terribly. In that way, yes, he was consistent at being inconsistent. It's like he always needed a number months to adapt to the PL all over again. But every team, not just us, needs a defender who is good for the entire season, not half of it.

Which is fair enough - I'm not disagreeing with you on Luiz's inconsistency levels. Far from it. I wholeheartedly agree with you that he has been inconsistent and that has been his main downfall. The whole premise of my argument was to counter the opinion that he's not suited to the PL and that it's more to do with the system - as with any other player; it honestly is just a basic belief I hold.

My whole initial point had to do with Luiz finally putting that inconsistency behind him this year which he obviously didn't - in fact he regressed even; and I tried to point out reasons why he didn't - i.e. having no real summer break, no pre season, coming back injured, lacking match sharpness and JT + Cahill both just picking up form greatly and staying fit for the majority of it...

Yes, if by 'system' you mean teams that are attacking 'top heavy', play attractive football and win next to nothing? All of those teams are heavily reliant on blowing teams away with their attacking prowess or possession based football. However, their defending always leaves something to be desired - their unbalance is what stops them from challenging on all fronts and that is why these sorts or teams will rarely dominate in the PL.

- City's defence aren't reliable and can't defend without Kompany - they are the exception rather than the rule, they can get away with it because of the amount of quality strikers they can 'afford' (by breaking FFP). However, they can't even buy a spot in the late stages of the CL and won the PL because we and Liverpool threw it away. Hardly convincing.

- Arsenal are too reliant on possession football, leave too much space in behind, get slaughtered on the counter-attack and won 1 trophy in 9 years.

- Liverpool play great football, but simply can't defend for their lives.

Yes, Luiz would probably look fantastic in these teams, but he'd win very little. However, he'll win a lot with the likes of PSG, Munich, Barca domestically because their leagues are so terrible, but when it comes to Europe, these very exploitable weaknesses would still exist.

Mourinho is trying to build a team with no such weaknesses, and he's starting by getting a reliable defence.

Again, it's hard to say whether or not he'd win a lot at City, Arsenal or Pool - that seriously isn't quantifiable just by how he would performed in those teams to begin with... There are obviously a lot of other factors that affect that and it's pretty far away from the main discussion here.

Arsenal and Pool as we both know have very naive managers so City would actually be a great example - they are attack first but are still quite responsible at the back as their manager isn't as naive as the other two mentioned - he can slightly switch it up and shut it down if they need to. They implement an attacking system in the right way unlike Arsenal or Liverpool so City's system for example would've been great for Luiz. Luiz - Kompany would be a very impressive partnership if both are fully fit and on form (with form comes confidence and consistency).

The discussion isn't about whether Luiz can be part of a team that can attain domestic success in England, we can't really discuss that as there are a whole lot of other variables that affect that. You think Luiz can't be a reliable defender and have brought valid points to back that up but at the same time I think he can be in the right system where he's given a consistent run in - regardless of what country he's playing in. Luiz nor myself probably won't change your mind on that because the conditions to see who's right or wrong doesn't even exist and most likely never will (considering he's now in France) so it's probably best we agree to disagree mate .