🇧🇷 David Luiz

[didierforever 7,349]

The point is lots of pundits and fans thought Bosingwa was a good player, a lot of pundits and fans rate Kyle Walker, who is absolutely awful. Pundits rave over Vertonghen, who is often caught with his pants down in matches (and then has to literally do it to opponents that fuck him over )

Pundits in general are awful, they don't have their own opinion, they just casually and sheepishly follow the same tired old myth's, even in Romania, where Luiz has an almost perfect match (Babara produced stats) they were still going on about him at every opportunity. I could just about take this creepy behavior if they credit his great matches, but they don't, when he makes a good interception, produces strong play, strong overall match, they say nothing, absolutely nothing. I mean Lawrenson brought him up previewing the Spain VS Uruguay match, does that sound like normal behavior?

Gary Neville offered a completely different perspective to the DL myth, if only their was as much as one other pundit like him in this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuPbN_GkFmc

over-hyping and over-rating and over crtitisizing are a part of the game. look at ozil. he was playing better for RM than he is at the moment but hearing the media, u ll think he has gone up a couple of notches. the point is luiz does things to make himself a target again and again. also i seriously think he has to prove that he can lead the defence. he had a hopeless start to the last season and then a wonderful season where he majorly played in the mid. now after coming back to the defence, he has had some very poor moments this season.

[bushman 2,043]

dont ask me. ask the ardent luiz fans here!!!

I have been asking forever...no dice though.

All I read is " they all make mistakes. "

Too many excuses, I feel. Should we care about the others ? No, we should not. Luiz is our concern for now.

Most of his mistakes were corrected, compensated by other players & the team had won, just like yesterday.

How about, if the team is not able to compensate for it, what then ?

[Tomo 21,751]

over-hyping and over-rating and over crtitisizing are a part of the game. look at ozil. he was playing better for RM than he is at the moment but hearing the media, u ll think he has gone up a couple of notches. the point is luiz does things to make himself a target again and again. also i seriously think he has to prove that he can lead the defence. he had a hopeless start to the last season and then a wonderful season where he majorly played in the mid. now after coming back to the defence, he has had some very poor moments this season.

He played what? 15 times in midfield in a season we played 69 games, that isn't that big a number in the grand scheme of things.

I have no problem with pundits critisising when it's deserved, it's the creepy behavior of the pundits/commentator's in this country that grind my gears. For example last season when he went off against Arsenal due to a knock, Alan Smith implied he was not injured and infact faking it to hide embarrassment

Not that i needed to say, but the fact Arsenal started peppering our goal after he got took off was conveniently ignored.

[didierforever 7,349]

He played what? 15 times in midfield in a season we played 69 games, that isn't that big a number in the grand scheme of things.

I have no problem with pundits critisising when it's deserved, it's the creepy behavior of the pundits/commentator's in this country that grind my gears. For example last season when he went off against Arsenal due to a knock, Alan Smith implied he was not injured and infact faking it to hide embarrassment

Not that i needed to say, but the fact Arsenal started peppering our goal after he got took off was conveniently ignored.

luiz was poor in the start of the season. atleast until november u wuld have said that he has had a pretty average season. it was after rafa's appointment that he shot up. and it was majorly his performances in the mid that caught the eye.

i still remember that our best combo last season was

azpi-cahill-iva-cole

rambo-luiz

i remember people hoping for this line-up to start. goes on to say a lot about luiz and his best position.

now dont get me wrong, i feel luiz is a wonderful player. his ball winning, on the ball runs and passes are simply something that no CB in the world can have. but are these enough to compensate his lapses in concentration. also again, i am being so critical cos i have read some very exagerating remarks about luiz in the thread. luiz will be our no1 defender and our captain and so on and so forth.

[The Mak 4,459]

Where are the people who said 'Benitez made Luiz a better defender'? :lol2:

The only thing Luiz got last season was form. He does it every year: Brainfarts at the start of the season, picks up form afterwards, beast by the end of the season.

[Tomo 21,751]

luiz was poor in the start of the season. atleast until november u wuld have said that he has had a pretty average season. it was after rafa's appointment that he shot up. and it was majorly his performances in the mid that caught the eye.

i still remember that our best combo last season was

azpi-cahill-iva-cole

rambo-luiz

i remember people hoping for this line-up to start. goes on to say a lot about luiz and his best position.

now dont get me wrong, i feel luiz is a wonderful player. his ball winning, on the ball runs and passes are simply something that no CB in the world can have. but are these enough to compensate his lapses in concentration. also again, i am being so critical cos i have read some very exagerating remarks about luiz in the thread. luiz will be our no1 defender and our captain and so on and so forth.

I hated Luiz in midfield personally, never sat right for me (i hated Ivan at CB too, always preferred him as a RB), press him hard enough in the middle and he will lose possession. His ball playing skills are an asset from CB because no one is tracking him.

[didierforever 7,349]

I hated Luiz in midfield personally, never sat right for me (i hated Ivan at CB too, always preferred him as a RB), press him hard enough in the middle and he will lose possession. His ball playing skills are an asset from CB because no one is tracking him.

presonally i feel iva is a much better CB than RB. no pace, never closes down the crosses. but he has the perfect mould for a strong CB.

also luiz looked good. strong tackler and more impressively had a nice read of the game which impressed me the most when he played as a CDM. anyways it seems we dont agree on anything at all.

[Tomo 21,751]

presonally i feel iva is a much better CB than RB. no pace, never closes down the crosses. but he has the perfect mould for a strong CB.

He does ok at centre back, but i remember under Ancelotti, he was the best right back in the league, one game that sticks out was Arsenal away (when we won 3-0) Arshavin was one of in form players around and every 'expert' predicted him to rip the 'makeshift centre back' apart, but Ivan marked him out of the game and rendered the Russian anonymous

[The Skipper 20,609]

I still don't understand why people say Luiz is a liability because Alan Hansen and co say he is. If he's that much of a liability he would've been sold a long time ago and Cahill would've started ahead of him many more times - but why doesn't that happen?

I'll take the judgement of Benitez, Ancelotti, Mourinho and RDM over any clueless pundit.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

give away a stupid goal like he did against everton and then perform brilliantly, i would rather take just a good solid performance of not making a mistake and just doing the needful. its not a stupid argument. its a fact. defenders' life is not easy. 89 minutes and 59 seconds of out-of the -world play can go to crap if u do something stupid in the remaining 1 second. cos it will always lead to a goal.

this is the 3rd time i am posting this particular part

"all i wanted to say is said we could have bought 2 WC center-backs with 35mil. the first example that came to my mind was hummels-subotic (as they were , for me, the best CB pairing last season). but people have discarded all the other iportant points that i made before and after but have concentrated on these 2 names for some weird reason

(who were just instinctive names). "

Then you should've specified at first.

Tell me, what two world class CB's you can bring in for 35??

[didierforever 7,349]

Then you should've specified at first.

Tell me, what two world class CB's you can bring in for 35??

20 mil for subotic. save 15 mil because we would not need another.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

20 mil for subotic. save 15 mil because we would not need another.

Yea, because Dormund would sell their best defender for 20 million

[bluesman2610 1,417]

Ppl who say Mats Hummels is any better than Luiz.. are stuck on this the grass is greener on the other side.. As many have said Luiz first poor performance all season and probably since last season and some of you guys want his head.. Everton goal Luiz is blamed but when watching the break down of the play 3 players ball watching Luiz being the only one alert to the danger of a striker on the top of the box so left his shape but there was still 3 defenders in the box marking two strikers even with him leaving his position, now hindsight the ball gets played to the top of the box no one is there Luiz gets called out for not stepping out.. And for the Norwich goal which one of you would have thought JT would have lost that aerial duel cause I know I didn't think he would have and I am sure Luiz was thinking the same thing..

If the man can show World Class form 9 games out of 10 or even 8 you don't get more quality than that anywhere.. I'm not surprised that the media still gets at Luiz after his first season here but for our own supporters who watch him all the time to think the way the media does is very sad..

[Special Juan 28,141]

He needs to cut out those mistakes, Jose will make sure if it continues, he will be dropped.

That really is as simple as it is.

[haranr 485]

Not a good game yesterday but you don't see many of these.

[Zoro 151]

Way too casual yesterday. Like he either couldnt be bothered or just didnt give a shit. Buck up your ideas Luiz or fuck right off.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Way too casual yesterday. Like he either couldnt be bothered or just didnt give a shit. Buck up your ideas Luiz or fuck right off.

Or like he just flew half way across the world, played 2 matches in one week then flew back a couple of days before the match.

[robsblubot 3,595]

Yup holland did say players were in bad shape. They seemed genuinely worried about the form of the players coming from intr break.

With that said-focus/composure is the area he has to work on. He does seem to perform better in big matches, and loses focus at times esp playing at home.

[Zoro 151]

Or like he just flew half way across the world, played 2 matches in one week then flew back a couple of days before the match.

Im sorry did you see the goal we conceded?

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Im sorry did you see the goal we conceded?

The goal was a misunderstanding between him and Cech and misjudgment from Luiz, but you weren't talking about the goal alone, were you? You were talking about the whole performance which wasn't up to his standards because he was slower and less sharp than usual because of the international break.