🇳🇱 Nathan Aké

[LAM09 7,056]

Ake is good but you might have overrated him there. Is he intelligent tactically to play the LWB role? Does he have the stamina to go up and down the flank all game? It's all very doubtful at this point.

The jury is out on the stamina part as he hasn't played in a position that has required him to do much running. I personally can see him becoming part of the back three and we all know who would drop out, but I would be worried about communication between him, Luiz & Azpi.

[Magic Lamps 11,692]

Do you really think Conte is gonna replace Cahill with Ake? Never gonna happen. Conte clearly values Cahill more than our supporters do. Moreover the goals we conceded show how suicidal it would be to have CBS as tiny as him and azpi.

[LondonsFinest 692]

8 hours ago, Jason said:

Ake is good but you might have overrated him there. Is he intelligent tactically to play the LWB role? Does he have the stamina to go up and down the flank all game? It's all very doubtful at this point.

I don't want to overrate the lad. I'm just saying he has the qualities to play there. He is intelligent, tbf. Stamina we'll see. I just don't think he's coming in as a CB. He looks good and despite me being skeptical, I think he can develop here.

[Unionjack 7,531]

AFC Bournemouth: Cherries loan star Ake returns to Chelsea

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/cherries/clubnews/15009437.AFC_Bournemouth__Cherries_loan_star_Ake_returns_to_Chelsea/

They thought alot about the lad didn't they.

I'll get behind the old boy wherever he plays. Gotta give him a chance

 

 

[gadget 126]

Dont agree with this.

He's just broken in the the bournemouth team the past month or two playing regular football, and he's now going to be sat on the bench/reserves for us? I doubt he will be a first team player yet and its not as if we desperately need the cover. Poor decision for his progression in my opinion  

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 minutes ago, gadget said:

Dont agree with this.

He's just broken in the the bournemouth team the past month or two playing regular football, and he's now going to be sat on the bench/reserves for us? I doubt he will be a first team player yet and its not as if we desperately need the cover. Poor decision for his progression in my opinion  

Lets put it this way. Ake sounds like hes wanting regular starting time so I don't think he will be here past the sumer otherwise.

[zekinjo 449]

Looks like Chelsea couldn't bring what Antonio wants so let's recall Ake. Just hope Ake is good enough to play and if he is that he'll actually play not being a bench warmer. He's 21. and after some regular football for the first time the absolute worst thing for him would be Michy, Zouma , Loftus- Cheek, Aina and Cesc destiny.

[BlueLyon 9,359]

I hope that he gets decent amount of chances and I hope he shows he is good option, althrough I doubt he will be some sort of revelation.

[Leif 6,006]

If we rate him as a player out of 10, he's clearly either a 4, 5, or a 6. We need more than 6's. Madrid and Barcelona have no 6's on their benches. I'd struggle to say Man City & Bayern have any 6's on their bench too. 

It is TOO LATE to start integrating 'not bad' youngsters just for the sake of it. It had a lovely novelty that I wanted to be a part of 5-10 years ago, but now, who else is trying to integrate randomers from their loan army ahead of bringing in already-made, performing to a high-level talent? More than ever you need instant success on the pitch; and all of our youngsters right now, from RLC, to Ake, to Chalobah, are so damn jack-of-all-trade players who excel at nothing. All of us would struggle to list proactive traits any of those players have. You put them on the field and your chances of scoring go down, and your chance of conceding just marginally, actually goes up. In my eyes anyway. All they are are fresh legs. Nothing special will come from any of them, ever, bar 1 freak goal for a lesser team one day.

 

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 minutes ago, Leif said:

If we rate him as a player out of 10, he's clearly either a 4, 5, or a 6. We need more than 6's. Madrid and Barcelona have no 6's on their benches. I'd struggle to say Man City & Bayern have any 6's on their bench too. 

It is TOO LATE to start integrating 'not bad' youngsters just for the sake of it. It had a lovely novelty that I wanted to be a part of 5-10 years ago, but now, who else is trying to integrate randomers from their loan army ahead of bringing in already-made, performing to a high-level talent? More than ever you need instant success on the pitch; and all of our youngsters right now, from RLC, to Ake, to Chalobah, are so damn jack-of-all-trade players who excel at nothing. All of us would struggle to list proactive traits any of those players have. You put them on the field and your chances of scoring go down, and your chance of conceding just marginally, actually go up. In my eyes anyway. All they are are fresh legs. Nothing special will come from any of them, ever, bar 1 freak goal for a lesser team one day.

 

My thoughts exactly about aiming our sites too low.

But we arent any of those teams you mentioned and have always had proilems attracting 9s and 10s mate.

Me I'd pay whayevers necessary to get them and not worry about bringing in the accademy. But I'd probably bankrupt the club and every Blues fan would hate me for ignoring our overhyped youth.

In reallity a good mixture would be perfect but we do need more actual tallented creative players.

All really hard decisions to make and I hope Conte gets it right.

[gadget 126]

24 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Lets put it this way. Ake sounds like hes wanting regular starting time so I don't think he will be here past the sumer otherwise.

So that means he'll be walking into our 1st xi otherwise he wants out this summer? rather than him having another half season in the first team at Bournemouth gaining more premier league experience before coming back and fighting a first team spot next season.

a back 3 of Ake Zouma Christensen looks very solid and balanced but all need to grow and gain experience 

[mccg 1,528]

Great signing , Baker and Christensen next, then we can chuck the cash to strengthen other areas

[Fernando 6,585]

Not going to be CB but LWB and who knows could play in the middle as well. 

We shall see, very interesting shot Conte is taking  here. Plus he's doing what we wanted, use loan players instead of wasting money on stop gap players.

[Leif 6,006]

25 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

My thoughts exactly about aiming our sites too low.

But we arent any of those teams you mentioned and have always had proilems attracting 9s and 10s mate.

Me I'd pay whayevers necessary to get them and not worry about bringing in the accademy. But I'd probably bankrupt the club and every Blues fan would hate me for ignoring our overhyped youth.

In reallity a good mixture would be perfect but we do need more actual tallented creative players.

All really hard decisions to make and I hope Conte gets it right.

I agree with every word of yours. I think that bringing in the youth, is like a cherry on top of the cake. It's very pretty decoration. But, we still need a strong enough sponge/foundation first. And right now, our sponge is not completely ready. It's crumbly, and while it resembles a cake, if someone were to bite into it deep, they'd see that the core is not yet good enough to be leaping ahead to adding the decoration.

Maybe this wouldn't even be a conversation though if we were looking at our other youngsters. We do have some talent that I genuinely believe are already 6.5's, ready to be made 7/10 players very quickly under Conte. Those are Jay Dasilva, Musonda, perhaps Christensen, Tammy Abraham (he was already an absolute monster for the youth teams; the fact that he's now averaging a goal every 2 games in the Championship makes me think he's capable enough to be our next Demba Ba or whatnot.), & Kalas (still only 23, and when we played him, I thought he was truly superb. It confuses me why we don't use him). 

Those are our gems. Those are all players who'd be good enough for the top 6 or so Premier League teams, right now. No other team in the top 6 would take Ake, Ruben or Chalobah. We and City would both be better with Christensen, right now. Arsenal would be better with Abraham (he's perfect for their system; just stand up top and score, don't do much else.) Kalas would be useful here or at City; but he'd truly shine at Liverpool. Musonda is more delicate so I won't say anything about him in this regard. Dasilva similar. We have youth players already good enough for the Premier League's top 6, so why do we focus on our youth players that're barely good enough for the top 6 of the npower Championship? 

[kellzfresh 7,229]

Poor bournemouth, From 3-0 up to Arsenal, to conceding 6 in a row, out of the FA cup and losing an incredible defender. The year couldn't have started much worse for them 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[The Skipper 20,609]

On 14/12/2016 at 5:56 PM, -Kaplan- said:

When you look at the physicality of Cahill, Luiz, Terry and to some extent, Azpi, does Ake really belong there? 

His best chance would come at LWB and Conte has said that 3-4-3 was not his first or second choice. He used that formation because of what he had. One would think after two transfer windows, Ake doesn't fit the mould of a Conte player. Even more so after you consider Kenedy. 

I would really consider selling for his, and our sake. Good lad just not Chelsea standard. 

He's almost tailor made for the LCB role and also provides good cover at CM imo. 

[Mufassir08 2,400]

1 minute ago, The Skipper said:

He's almost tailor made for the LCB role and also provides good cover at CM imo. 

Do you see him him displacing Cahill anytime soon? Also, don't you think that a defence of Azpi-Luiz-Ake would be weak aerially?

[Unionjack 7,531]

3 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

He's almost tailor made for the LCB role and also provides good cover at CM imo. 

Over who?

Better than Chalobah/Happy. Dont forget Happy is a very handy CM. He ruled ovr Fellaini. And another one over Chalobah - just not sure.

And Ake doesn't strike me as beig patiant so he wont hang round long on the bench.

[Kieran. 6,317]

He's a great player, stop writing him off without even seeing him play. He can play CB, CM or wingback. That's a lot of positions possibly covered by one player.