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Just now, kolovrat said:

K, which one is your Bible then?  Also, please help me understand - do you support Israel actions in Gaza and West Bank?

Just regular bible. I get one with no commentary because they tend to be bias based on their world view. Some of them good some of them not so. 

Lately reading NLT and NIV. NLT so far my favorite for personal devotion. 

Support Israel in Gaza? Like discriminately, blindly? No. 

They done some bad and they have to respond once this over....if there's someone to hold them accountable. Kind of like USA did with some soldiers that did bad In Iraq. 

Obviously nothing is perfect because some politicians got away with murder (USA ain't no saint neither) but something is something. 

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1 hour ago, Fernando said:

NLT

 

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

Just regular bible. I get one with no commentary because they tend to be bias based on their world view. Some of them good some of them not so. 

Lately reading NLT and NIV. NLT so far my favorite for personal devotion. 

Support Israel in Gaza? Like discriminately, blindly? No. 

They done some bad and they have to respond once this over....if there's someone to hold them accountable. Kind of like USA did with some soldiers that did bad In Iraq. 

Obviously nothing is perfect because some politicians got away with murder (USA ain't no saint neither) but something is something. 

Glad to hear that you are not Scofield bible adherent.  I, myself, is a theist/agnostic. In regard to Gaza/West Bank Israel actions - I am not sure what you meant (highlighted above).  So, was Israel justified in what they did to Gaza?  Does Palestine deserve the state?

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[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, kolovrat said:

 

Glad to hear that you are not Scofield bible adherent.  I, myself, is a theist/agnostic. In regard to Gaza/West Bank Israel actions - I am not sure what you meant (highlighted above).  So, was Israel justified in what they did to Gaza?  Does Palestine deserve the state?

They got out of hand is what I'm saying (Israel in how they try to resolve the Hamas problem). 

But that they had to defend themselves, that with out a doubt I'm in a favor. You can't deal with Hamas next to you, they never want peace. 

Palestine deserve a state? of course, like any other people. But can they get a long with Israel as neighbor? They been trying it for ages and has not work. 

You work out a peace deal, stop the killing, but sooner or later Hamas will come and do another act, pushing Israel to act like this. 

What is the solution long term? Two stale solution and then later they are fighting like cats and dogs? 

I always thought the movie Kingdom of heaven with Orlando Bloom gave a picture of a what a good leader would do for his people. Give up the land and move somewhere else where their people can live in peace, instead of getting slaughter. 

Palestinian leadership are in a good position where they can demand that, or stay in Palestine and continue this cycle of bloodshed into eternity. 

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31 minutes ago, Fernando said:

They got out of hand is what I'm saying (Israel in how they try to resolve the Hamas problem). 

But that they had to defend themselves, that with out a doubt I'm in a favor. You can't deal with Hamas next to you, they never want peace. 

Palestine deserve a state? of course, like any other people. But can they get a long with Israel as neighbor? They been trying it for ages and has not work. 

You work out a peace deal, stop the killing, but sooner or later Hamas will come and do another act, pushing Israel to act like this. 

What is the solution long term? Two stale solution and then later they are fighting like cats and dogs? 

I always thought the movie Kingdom of heaven with Orlando Bloom gave a picture of a what a good leader would do for his people. Give up the land and move somewhere else where their people can live in peace, instead of getting slaughter. 

Palestinian leadership are in a good position where they can demand that, or stay in Palestine and continue this cycle of bloodshed into eternity. 

Palestinians are fighting for their land - just like any other people in the past.  Russians fought and defeated Mongols, French, Germans (twice) to keep their lands and tribe - were they wrong?

You are not answering my questions, and you sound very slippery (They, they ,they) -Who are 'they' you keep talking about? I have no clue. Let me as ask you again - yes or no please:
- So, was Israel justified in what they did to Gaza? 
- Does Palestine deserve the state?

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[Fernando 6,585]

19 minutes ago, kolovrat said:

Palestinians are fighting for their land - just like any other people in the past.  Russians fought and defeated Mongols, French, Germans to keep their lands and tribe - were they wrong?

You are not answering my questions, and you sound very slippery (They, they ,they) -Who are 'they' you keep talking about? I have no clue. Let me as ask you again - yes or no please:
- So, was Israel justified in what they did to Gaza? 
- Does Palestine deserve the state?

No

Yes

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9 minutes ago, Fernando said:

No

Yes

I am glad we are on the same page.   Here is something you may find interesting.  This treatise did change my life back in 90s:
https://yale.learningu.org/download/041e9642-df02-4eed-a895-70e472df2ca4/H2665_Descartes' Meditations.pdf

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Netanyahu (Mileikowsky) is dismantling Shin 'Bet (Israeli FBI/MI5) right now.

They have evidence of him enabling the funding of Hamas. 

If the slaughter stops -he is finished. To stay in office he bombs, burns and dismembers babies and children.

Ex-Mossad chief: Protracted hostage releases a ‘disgraceful fraud that led to Judenrat-like selektzia’

Times of Israel

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The Scofield Bible—The Book That Made Zionists of America’s Evangelical Christians

https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html

“For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement.”

—The New Scofield Study Bible

Since it was first published in 1909, the Scofield Reference Bible has made uncompromising Zionists out of tens of millions of Americans. When John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel (CUFI), said that “50 million evangelical bible-believing Christians unite with five million American Jews standing together on behalf of Israel,” it was the Scofield Bible that he was talking about.

Although the Scofield Reference Bible contains the text of the King James Authorized Version, it is not the traditional Protestant bible but Cyrus I. Scofield’s annotated commentary that is problematic. More than any other factor, it is Scofield’s notes that have induced generations of American evangelicals to believe that God demands their uncritical support for the modern State of Israel.

BLESSING ISRAEL, CURSING ITS CRITICS

Central to Christian Zionist belief is Scofield’s commentary (italicized below) on Genesis 12:3: “‘I will bless them that bless thee.’ In fulfillment closely related to the next clause, ‘And curse him that curseth thee.’ Wonderfully fulfilled in the history of the dispersion. It has invariably fared ill with the people who have persecuted the Jew—well with those who have protected him. The future will still more remarkably prove this principle.”

Drawing on Scofield’s rather tendentious interpretation, Hagee claims, “The man or nation that lifts a voice or hand against Israel invites the wrath of God.”

But as Stephen Sizer points out in his definitive critique, Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? (available from AET’s Middle East Books and More “The promise, when referring to Abraham’s descendants, speaks of God blessing them, not of entire nations ‘blessing’ the Hebrew nation, still less the contemporary and secular State of Israel.”

Notwithstanding this more orthodox reading, The New Scofield Study Bible, published by Oxford University Press in 1984, intensified Scofield’s interpretation by adding, “For a nation to commit the sin of anti-Semitism brings inevitable judgement.”

“Sustained by a dubious exegesis of selective biblical texts,” Sizer concludes, “Christian Zionism’s particular reading of history and contemporary events...sets Israel and the Jewish people apart from other peoples in the Middle East...it justifies the endemic racism intrinsic to Zionism, exacerbates tensions between Jews and Palestinians and undermines attempts to find a peaceful resolution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, all because ‘the Bible tells them so.’”

THE INCREDIBLE SCOFIELD

In his 2008 book, The Rise of Israel: A History of a Revolutionary State, Jonathan R. Adelman describes the crucial support Israel receives from Christian fundamentalists as “totally fortuitous.” That assertion is belied, however, by the incredible career of the man who wrote “the Bible of Fundamentalism.”

Two years after Scofield’s reported conversion to Christianity in 1879, the Atchison Patriot was less than impressed. Describing the former Atchison resident as the “late lawyer, politician and shyster generally,” the article went on to recount a few of Scofield’s “many malicious acts.” These included a series of forgeries in St. Louis, for which he was sentenced to six months in jail.

Being a “born again” preacher did not preclude Scofield from becoming a member of an exclusive New York men’s club in 1901, either. In his devastating biography, The Incredible Scofield and His Book, Joseph M. Canfield suggests, “The admission of Scofield to the Lotus Club, which could not have been sought by Scofield, strengthens the suspicion that has cropped up before, that someone was directing the career of C.I. Scofield.”

That someone, Canfield suspects, was associated with one of the club’s committee members, the Wall Street lawyer Samuel Untermeyer. As Canfield intimates, Scofield’s theology was “most helpful in getting Fundamentalist Christians to back the international interest in one of Untermeyer’s pet projects—the Zionist Movement.”

Others have been even more explicit about the nature of Scofield’s service to the Zionist agenda. In “Unjust War Theory: Christian Zionism and the Road to Jerusalem,” Prof. David W. Lutz writes, “Untermeyer used Scofield, a Kansas City lawyer with no formal training in theology, to inject Zionist ideas into American Protestantism. Untermeyer and other wealthy and influential Zionists whom he introduced to Scofield promoted and funded the latter’s career, including travel in Europe.”

On one of these European trips, Oxford University Press publisher Henry Frowde “expressed immediate interest” in Scofield’s project. According to a biography of Frowde, although the OUP publisher was “[n]ot demonstrative in his religious views, all his Christian life he was associated with brethren known as ‘Exclusive.’” The “Exclusive Brethren” refers to the group of Christian evangelicals that, in an 1848 split in the Plymouth Brethren, followed John Nelson Darby, the Anglo-Irish missionary generally considered to have been the most influential figure in the development of Christian Zionism, and a major influence on Scofield.

SCOFIELD’S LEGACY

Had the Scofield Bible never been published, American presidents influenced by Christian Zionism such as Truman, Johnson, Reagan and George W. Bush might have been less sympathetic to Israeli demands, and consequently more attentive to U.S. interests. Moreover, the American people could have been spared the pseudo-Christian rants of John Hagee, Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell, not to mention the lucrative End Times Rapture “prophecy” peddled by Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHaye.

But it is the people of the Middle East who have been most affected by an expansionist Israel emboldened by the unswerving allegiance of Christian Zionists led to believe that Scofield’s words are God’s will. Not least among the many victims of the Scofield Bible are 5 million Palestinian refugees whose right to return is fervently opposed by America’s Zionized Christians. Thanks to their indoctrination by Scofield’s unholy book, they believe that Palestine belongs not to the Palestinians—many of whom are fellow Christians—but exclusively to “God’s chosen people.” 

Edited March 18 by Vesper

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, kolovrat said:

I am glad we are on the same page.   Here is something you may find interesting.  This treatise did change my life back in 90s:
https://yale.learningu.org/download/041e9642-df02-4eed-a895-70e472df2ca4/H2665_Descartes' Meditations.pdf

I started reading. I'm going to print it out to read everything with ease today. I will get back to you once I finish reading everything. 

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Israel back to burning toddlers, killing and dismembering hundreds of children as the Orange Compost Heap tweets 'UNLEASH HELL' with Caps Lock on sat on his gold toilet

Israel kills 200 children in Gaza within 3 days

506 Palestinians, including 203 children, have been killed and 909 injured in the enclave since Israel shattered the ceasefire on Tuesday.

At least 110 people have been killed since dawn today in the war-torn territory, with US supplied weapons paid for by US taxpayers

Reuters

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UK GDP & Disability Disaster

In this video I discuss the ongoing crisis in the UK. The GDP figures for January 2025 reveal that the Economy contracted by 0.1% which will put even more pressure on the UK government. The actual growth achieved by the UK Economy since the October Budget is significantly lower than originally forecast by the OBR and as a result UK tax receipts are lower than forecast leaving the UK with a cash crisis. The UK government is now facing the prospect of either increasing taxes or cutting spending. The first round of spending cuts have now been announced and surprisingly they are targeting Health and Disability payments. 

For specific details please check out the CHAPTER list below. 

Chapters:
0:00 Intro
2:34 GDP
3:48 HEALTH & DISABILITY
4:58 PIPS
6:58 UNIVERSAL CREDIT
8:04 SUMMARY & CONCLUSION

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Not proper Labour

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7 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Not proper Labour

Blairite neoliberal austerity cunts

and FUCK Starmer for repeatedly saying that Brexit is a permanent done deal

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39 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Blairite neoliberal austerity cunts

and FUCK Starmer for repeatedly saying that Brexit is a permanent done deal

Starmer first MP ever to be in US Neocon Tripartite Commission.

Cutting off of electricity, water, food in Gaza, and blowing up of the only cancer hospital ?- 99% of MPs parroting the same line 'Israel has the right to defend itself'. All bribed, all had expenses paid trips to Tel Aviv. War Criminals the lot of them.

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Israel’s top court halts government’s decision to fire Shin Bet chief

Judge freezes government’s decision to dismiss the head of the Shin Bet amid protests against the move.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/3/21/israels-cabinet-approves-sacking-of-shin-bet-chief-amid-protests

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London

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[Fernando 6,585]

On 18/03/2025 at 16:33, kolovrat said:

I am glad we are on the same page.   Here is something you may find interesting.  This treatise did change my life back in 90s:
https://yale.learningu.org/download/041e9642-df02-4eed-a895-70e472df2ca4/H2665_Descartes' Meditations.pdf

The guy is sounding a lot like an agnostic? 

He says and besides as I sometimes imagine that others deceive themselves in the things which they think they know best, how do I know that I am not deceived every time that I add two and three or count the sides of the square, or judge of things yet simpler, if anything simpler can be imagined?

From page 8. 

Is this guy an agnostic? Or atheist? 

Atheist to me always seem like a religion because it requires a lot of faith. 

Agnostic is a better posture then the former as you can't rule the idea of God but your not sure about it. 

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