Politics & Stuff

[Kieran. 6,317]

Typical bourgeoisie lefties trying to play it down. If it was anything perceived to be right wing or racist you'd all be in tears of self-righteousness demanding a lifetime ban. Footballers shouldn't be messing around with political gestures of any kind on the pitch.

Hop off it, you poor right wingers, oh please think of the right wing!

[Stingray 9,441]

I'll say it again - it doesn't matter what he meant, if the act is recognized as an anti-semitic one then its wrong that he did it no matter what he actually meant.

You do not harm any one by watching Hitler movies because you keep it to yourself, and what exactly is "hitler movies" anyway?

I truly believe Anelka did not mean any harm and that was just a gesture to his dead friend.

If I may, I think the issue that bushman (and even LDN) we're trying to make is that: Who determines what is recognized as antisemitic and what is not?

There are a lot of gray areas just like there is with racism, homophobia...etc There are also quite a lot of entangled areas. On the surface, Zionism is about Jews and often Zionism is synonymous with the establishment (oil and weapons companies) but being antiestablishment does not make you antisemitic.

Politicians always use those gray and entangled areas to suppress opinions and causes by labeling them immoral and not "politically correct". It is strategy that is used by both left and right wings.

This. It even had a name in ideology studies: the principle of alternating tenets. Originally coined first by Destutt de Tracy in the 18th century even. Tactics as old as hookers tbh.

[bushman 2,043]

Alright then I see you've given up.

God I just hate it when people have to take arguments to a place of anger and hate..

And you call ME a kid... lol.

http://www.yourjewishnews.com/2013/07/n28209.html

I feel sorry for you.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Jesus Christ, how did we end up discussing Antisemitism vs zionism, muslims vs jews, lebanon vs Israel, whatever you want to call it?

He's close friends with a blatant racist, yea racist, wether he is antizionist or anti-establishment as well I don't give a fudge. FN, NV-A, PVV, they're all nazi-collaborator nests, manipulating the population with hate and intolerance.

It's obvious it's me versus the rest here so I'm ending this discussion. It makes me sick.

Mate, how could you miss my point so many times? Please, just reread my posts without prior judgments and you'll see that the point I was making is a very simple one. If you think that Zionism is synonymous with Judaism, or worse Islam is synonymous with antisemitism then you're right that we should end this discussion as it would be hopeless.

And PS: You just called a Muslim black person a Nazi

[bushman 2,043]

[dave30 728]

Hop off it, you poor right wingers, oh please think of the right wing!

you make no sense Yankenstein. The definite and growing antagonism towards Jews within Europe is uncomfortable and worrying.

[bushman 2,043]

you make no sense Yankenstein. The definite and growing antagonism towards Jews within Europe is uncomfortable and worrying.

Excuse me, but where do you see an antagonism towards Jews ?

[dave30 728]

Excuse me, but where do you see an antagonism towards Jews ?

Anti-Jewish hate crime is on the up in almost every part of Europe supported not only by perception but statistics. A combination of the rise of neo-nazi influenced far-right activists. growing Islamic populations and the bourgeoisie suburban left contribute to this.

[bushman 2,043]

Anti-Jewish hate crime is on the up in almost every part of Europe supported not only by perception but statistics. A combination of the rise of neo-nazi influenced far-right activists. growing Islamic populations and the bourgeoisie suburban left contribute to this.

Sometimes, stats are altered to one´s needs. However, let´s say they are on the rise, but economical situation has a lot to do with it.

Plenty of Jewish unlawful deals over the years attributed to it too.

[Kieran. 6,317]

Mate, how could you miss my point so many times? Please, just reread my posts without prior judgments and you'll see that the point I was making is a very simple one. If you think that Zionism is synonymous with Judaism, or worse Islam is synonymous with antisemitism then you're right that we should end this discussion as it would be hopeless.

And PS: You just called a Muslim black person a Nazi

Didn't you know?! Nazis have a HUGE Muslim Black population!

This is so ridiculous.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Mate, how could you miss my point so many times? Please, just reread my posts without prior judgments and you'll see that the point I was making is a very simple one. If you think that Zionism is synonymous with Judaism, or worse Islam is synonymous with antisemitism then you're right that we should end this discussion as it would be hopeless.

And PS: You just called a Muslim black person a Nazi

You think I'm missing the point? You've ignored my point about being associated with FN like 4 times now, I don't see why I wouldn't ignore your Middle-East stories or your examples about how people or beliefs can be perceived differently depending where you live. You're obviously gonna write back to me in a couple of hours with another page of random stuff, instead of saying how you feel about his affiliation with Front National.

And don't act as if it's laughable to compare a muslim to a nazi, or to associate them. Even back then in the 40ies Hitler regularly met with a Grand Mufti. Today a lot of muslims are denying the holocaust. Most Muslims I know are anti-semetic to the bone.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Didn't you know?! Nazis have a HUGE Muslim Black population!

This is so ridiculous.

You know nothing.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

You think I'm missing the point? You've ignored my point about being associated with FN like 4 times now, I don't see why I wouldn't ignore your Middle-East stories or your examples about how people or beliefs can be perceived differently depending where you live. You're obviously gonna write back to me in a couple of hours with another page of random stuff, instead of saying how you feel about his affiliation with Front National.

And don't act as if it's laughable to compare a muslim to a nazi, or to associate them. Even back then in the 40ies Hitler regularly met with a Grand Mufti. Today a lot of muslims are denying the holocaust. Most Muslims I know are anti-semetic to the bone.

Smh...I don't know who has been scaring you so much but you really need to think about this. Just seriously sit down and logically think about this.

[Weckerz 3,781]

Smh...I don't know who has been scaring you so much but you really need to think about this. Just seriously sit down and logically think about this.

Are you denying a lot of muslims have anti-semetic sentiments?

Failed to comment on FN for about the 5th time now, I give up son.

[Blue Warrior 109]

Stick to the Footy.

[Stingray 9,441]

Cringe worthy thread, really. Politics and sports don't mix in my account.

[dave30 728]

Stick to the Footy.

That's what Anelka should do.

Cringe worthy thread, really. Politics and sports don't mix in my account.

That's why its in the General Chat bit. Obviously

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Are you denying a lot of muslims have anti-semetic sentiments?

Failed to comment on FN for about the 5th time now, I give up son.

No I'm saying that your comments show serious lack of knowledge about Islam, Nazism, Zionism, the difference between it and Judaism, and how politics generally work.

I suggest you read up on the Islamic ideology and Nazism and its principles before you make ill-informed accusations.

EDIT: And yes, Muslims have have anti-Zionists beliefs not anti-Semitic and that is because of the Palestinian cause. In fact, historically, Jews and Muslims have always had very good relations, certainly better than the relations between Judaism and the Church. Islam and Judaism have A LOT in common.

[Stingray 9,441]

Stick to the Footy.

That's what Anelka should do.

Cringe worthy thread, really. Politics and sports don't mix in my account.

That's why its in the General Chat bit. Obviously

Obviously. Wait till it spreads like it already has in the Anelka thread. If it is just political talk ok. If you have Israelites or Jewish members talking about Nazi symbolics, contemporal gestures and Muslims are put into the mix with a slice of todays middle east geopolitical situation while some righties babble about left bourgeous without a clue about the Front National connection in casu, adding a (anglosaxon) political correctness insult on an international forum, what do you think happens? A sour milkshake conflated with misconceptions adding nothing to clarify the debate.

Peace.

[bushman 2,043]

No I'm saying that your comments show serious lack of knowledge about Islam, Nazism, Zionism, the difference between it and Judaism, and how politics generally work.

I suggest you read up on the Islamic ideology and Nazism and its principles before you make ill-informed accusations.

EDIT: And yes, Muslims have have anti-Zionists beliefs not anti-Semitic and that is because of the Palestinian cause. In fact, historically, Jews and Muslims have always had very good relations, certainly better than the relations between Judaism and the Church. Islam and Judaism have A LOT in common.

Come on 19,

however you call it, this world is full of haters. Haters are among Muslims, Christians,Jews...

The bottom line: One should not be punished because he shows a sign, salutes anything.