yuvala 2,167 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Your interpretation of his salute is wrong ! Why is it, that Jewish people always interpret things to something against you ?How is it wrong? I just proved to you that it is an anti-semetic salute.And my example was one of many.And just for the record, I couldn't care less about him being anti-semetic, I just dont think its appropriate as a goal celebration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Take it to the politics thread, boys. We don't need a political argument here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Take it to the politics thread, boys. We don't need a political argument here. Can you "transfer" our messages to there? haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 How is it wrong? I just proved to you that it is an anti-semetic salute.And my example was one of many.And just for the record, I couldn't care less about him being anti-semetic, I just dont think its appropriate as a goal celebration.You proved nothing. You only assumed, that´s all. What he meant by it, no one knows or perhaps you do ?As i said, these notions of anti-Semitic is always on minds of Jewish people, somehow. Christo191 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Can you "transfer" our messages to there? hahaDone yuvala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 You proved nothing. You only assumed, that´s all. What he meant by it, no one knows or perhaps you do ?As i said, these notions of anti-Semitic is always on minds of Jewish people, somehow. Oh I see, so I suppose it's ok to make a Nazi salute if you dont mean it as a Nazi salute..The fact is, that it doesnt matter what HE meant, it matters what the salute means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 The fact is, that it doesnt matter what HE meant, it matters what the salute means.well, that's sort of contradictory isn't it? I mean a meaning of a gesture goes on perspectives. Anelka's perception isn't anti-semetic, whereas yours is? The Mak, Peace., Kieran. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 As i said, these notions of anti-Semitic is always on minds of Jewish people, somehow. Silly comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 well, that's sort of contradictory isn't it? I mean a meaning of a gesture goes on perspectives. Anelka's perception isn't anti-semetic, whereas yours is?First of all, how can you know that? (not that I can)Secondly, his prespective is not the only thing that matters, what the salute means matters aswell. You can't just ignore the fact that this act is being used as a moden anti-semetic salute.My criticism is not towards Anelka's prespective but rather towards him doing this salute, the act itself - regardless of the meaning he put behind it.Lets say we sign a player from X country, and in that country the Nazi salute is being used as a friendly gesture. When this player scores the first goal for us, he uses that salute to celebrate the goal - is that ok ? he did not at all mean it as a Nazi thing, he totally meant it as a friendly gesture.Still, its not ok because other people recognize it as an anti-semetic Nazi salute.You get my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinineUltra 1,170 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Definitely it was foolish of him to even unintentionally do handsigns like these, but -and I don't mean to start any endless arguments- why is it that anything to do with nazism gets so high attention whereas sovietism never hasn't been treated as equal regime of brutality and suffering. yuvala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christo191 173 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Yuvala, dude Anelka is black and a muslim, you can't seriously think that he is a nazi! Oh yeah, and also french! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yuvala 2,167 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 From Wikipedia on Dieudonne: "He has been condemned in court several times for antisemitic remarks. Since 1997, Dieudonné has regularly stood in parliamentary and European Union elections as a candidate at the head of fringe or splinter parties, and has tried and failed to run in two French presidential elections (2002 and 2007). He openly supported Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's views on Israel and the Jewish people. He has made "heil" like signs on television as part of a sketch that made controversy.Anelka is supposdely friends with this guy, and he has a picture with him doing the salute thing.any of you think it's ok that he made this celebration?@Christo191 - I didn't say Nazi, I said anti-semetic and I did not say he actually was anti-semetic, just that his salute on the celebration was (regardless of what he may have thought it meant) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 As far as I understand, the one who invented the gesture intends it as an anti-Zionism/anti-establishment gesture. What politics turns it into Is another story.On any account, political gestures do not belong on a football pitch and he will deservedly get a fine. Stingray and dave30 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Most people are getting tired of these constant jewish accusations & snivels.Every fucking time, somebody raise their hand, it´s Nazi salute,anti-Semitic or anti-Zionist, all because somebody said so. Why are people being punished for something that " jewish lobby " interpret according to their choice ? enes, Christo191 and Melanicus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 As far as I understand, the one who invented the gesture intends it as an anti-Zionism/anti-establishment gesture. What politics turns it into Is another story.On any account, political gestures do not belong on a football pitch and he will deservedly get a fine. Deservedly. It's like Wilshere giving City fans the finger and saying he didn't mean anything by that. I wouldn't be surprised if he is suspended as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Deservedly. It's like Wilshere giving City fans the finger and saying he didn't mean anything by that.I wouldn't be surprised if he is suspended as well.Stupid Jack enticed violence, then. What exactly Anelka meant by it, nobody knows. Perhaps, he saluted his dead friend, then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave30 728 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Typical bourgeoisie lefties trying to play it down. If it was anything perceived to be right wing or racist you'd all be in tears of self-righteousness demanding a lifetime ban. Footballers shouldn't be messing around with political gestures of any kind on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Stupid Jack enticed violence, then. What exactly Anelka meant by it, nobody knows. Perhaps, he saluted his dead friend, then ?Could say that but I'm sure he knows that gesture is anti- Semitic because of all the controversy with the French comedian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman 2,043 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Could say that but I'm sure he knows that gesture is anti- Semitic because of all the controversy with the French comedian.He knows his friend is dead, he salutes him, because he used it...did he mean any harm, did he entice riots, what exactly wrong did he do ? Shall I or you ask Jewish lobby what to read, what to show, whom to solute...on & on.Personally, I sick & tired of these Jewish snivelings. Where is the freedom of expression, then ? Do I harm any Jew by watching Hitler movies too ? Melanicus, enes, Peace. and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidzeret 2,257 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 He knows his friend is dead, he salutes him, because he used it...did he mean any harm, did he entice riots, what exactly wrong did he do ? Shall I or you ask Jewish lobby what to read, what to show, whom to solute...on & on.Personally, I sick & tired of these Jewish snivelings. Where is the freedom of expression, then ? Do I harm any Jew by watching Hitler movies too ?Obvious political gesture. No point in arguing about that. He might not have meant any harm but that is not the right way to salute his dead friend.Lets wait till what Anelka has to say about that. yuvala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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