Politics & Stuff

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

https://newsthump.com/2019/07/09/irony-free-patriot-tommy-robinson-seeks-refugee-status-in-nearby-united-states/

[cosmicway 1,333]

Greek elections
 

Sorry for the quality of the video but I had no one to help me make it better.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

I cant understand why people vote.....we dont mean anything, we have no say who becomes our next leader etc. Its an illiusion they have given us that we decide who sits at the top, we dont. Its a fact I learned while in Nato. Most refuse to believe it of course....thats how dumbed down we have become.sadly.

[cosmicway 1,333]

9 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

I cant understand why people vote.....we dont mean anything, we have no say who becomes our next leader etc. Its an illiusion they have given us that we decide who sits at the top, we dont. Its a fact I learned while in Nato. Most refuse to believe it of course....thats how dumbed down we have become.sadly.

Ummm.
On the one hand everyone has his own pet piece of legislation and when it is not enacted he grumbles.
On the other hand it's true that government ministers spend most of their time reading the beano and watching the stock exchange in the laptop.
However the only way to get rid of say Donald Trump is through the elections. Otherwise you don't get rid of him

[Vesper 30,085]

What is wrong with us?

Britain is in crisis. To recover we need to rediscover a sense of shame and acknowledge how many unforgivable things are happening in the country

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/07/what-wrong-us

What is wrong with us? The United Kingdom should be one of the most impressive democracies on Earth. We have incisive and apparently incorruptible judges; an undeferential, boisterous and intelligent media; and an extraordinary culture of voluntary activity – supplemented by charitable superpowers such as Oxfam and the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds. Our civil servants, diplomats and soldiers are thoughtful and skilful. Our parliament is more diverse than at any time in its history. Our economy is stable. Only the US can rival our universities; and only the US and China, our success in science. London remains one of the greatest cities on Earth. Our citizens have never seemed so healthy or better educated. So why does it suddenly seem to be so difficult to make what once, at least, seemed obvious, sensible arguments from the centre ground?

Three weeks ago, I found myself in the final five for the leadership of the Conservative Party. I went into a BBC debate against the other four candidates – all of whom were promising unfunded tax cuts and increases in public spending. They also rejected the current European Union withdrawal agreement and insisted on retaining no-deal as a threat against the EU. All the others claimed to be able to get a new deal out of Brussels by the end of October (or in one case, the end of the year). All insisted that in the absence of such a deal, they would want to leave in 2019 with no deal, and that they would be able to drive no deal through parliament.

How could I lose against such arguments? Most of the public and 90 per cent of my parliamentary colleagues agreed – or at least had recently agreed – that we could not get no deal through parliament. Very few people were comfortable with unfunded tax or spending promises. Or with a no-deal Brexit. Or with suspending parliament. Nobody seriously believed that Brussels would offer an entirely new deal by October (even Nigel Farage agreed with me on that).

But I failed to win any of these arguments, and within 24 hours I was knocked out of the contest. There have been explanations for my failure. One, made by the pollster John Curtice, is that public opinion simply makes a “centrist” position such as mine impossibly quixotic. Public opinion was traditionally – in the time of Tony Blair and David Cameron – a bell curve with all the votes located in the centre ground. Now the bell shape has collapsed, like an unstable soufflé, into a U-shape, leaving voters only on the extremes. 

Forty per cent of voters want to ignore the referendum result and remain in the European Union; and 40 per cent of the population – and around 80 per cent of Conservative members – apparently favour no deal if the alternative is remain. There was almost no constituency for someone trying to argue for a moderate and pragmatic Brexit among the public – and therefore there could not be among practical MPs.

I favour a different explanation. Which was that I had forgotten all the lessons of the many walks I had done around the country in the previous weeks – from Derry to Derby, from Edinburgh to Peterborough – and had tried simply to rehearse what I saw as the facts. I talked about the impact of unfunded tax cuts and spending pledges on our fiscal position. I tried and failed to explain in a few seconds how higher tariffs following a no-deal Brexit would lead to inflation, pressure on incomes, interest rate rises, and ultimately negative impacts on GDP.

In other words, as some of my friends argued when they were being more polite, I was “off my game”.

The lesson is that it is possible to change minds, and defeat extremist positions; but not by explaining tariff levels. If 72 per cent of voters are dissatisfied with the UK democratic system – half believing that the government doesn’t care about them, and more than half saying that “Britain needs a strong leader willing to break the rules” – you cannot expect to win simply on technocratic arguments. But nor should you feel forced to respond with nonsense and fairy tales. What I had seen, walking around the country, is that democratic life is neither about echoing and deepening pre-existing prejudices, nor only about communicating economics.

 

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[Atomiswave 6,117]

31 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Ummm.
On the one hand everyone has his own pet piece of legislation and when it is not enacted he grumbles.
On the other hand it's true that government ministers spend most of their time reading the beano and watching the stock exchange in the laptop.
However the only way to get rid of say Donald Trump is through the elections. Otherwise you don't get rid of him

True.......but then who replaces the likes of trump? Another one of their puppets.

[cosmicway 1,333]

17 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

True.......but then who replaces the likes of trump? Another one of their puppets.

If you look at it from a philosophical point of view everyone looks after his own and not for the interests of the nation as a whole.
Thus if I become the president of the party of the flat earthers and manage to become prime minister, then I expect people will start coming to my office saying things like "president sir, all indications seem to be that the earth is not flat".
What am I going to do then ?
If I accept the recommendations of the think tan earth believers are spies who are after our glorious peoples state".
So that's how it works. I just can't afford to do otherwise. Maybe later I 'm going to say "ladies and getnlemen there was a slight miscalculation".

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

11 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

If you look at it from a philosophical point of view everyone looks after his own and not for the interests of the nation as a whole.
Thus if I become the president of the party of the flat earthers and manage to become prime minister, then I expect people will start coming to my office saying things like "president sir, all indications seem to be that the earth is not flat".
What am I going to do then ?
If I accept the recommendations of the think tan earth believers are spies who are after our glorious peoples state".
So that's how it works. I just can't afford to do otherwise. Maybe later I 'm going to say "ladies and getnlemen there was a slight miscalculation".

 

Just saying there are men benind the men and have been so for many many decades and it will be so unless something big happens. One look at US and it tells its own story,.

[Vesper 30,085]

37 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

True.......but then who replaces the likes of trump? Another one of their puppets.

Groper Joe Biden, roflmaoooooooo

so fucked up

Rump the Raper or Creepy Uncle Joe

and we (putting on my UK hat) get that cunt BoJo (ten quid says he fucked a pig's head just like that Tory twat Cameron)

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

11 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Just saying there are men benind the men and have been so for many many decades and it will be so unless something big happens. One look at US and it tells its own story,.

I see.
If you want to see heads then you need bags as I say.
The thing is this with marxist ideas.
Thy want to nationalize the tank industry ok.
The air force too. Let's have Hawker Siddley Britain, Avro Anchone nationale, Mitsubishi Japan.
But leave the poor guy who sells "collections d' ete" in Carnaby street. boulevard Sait Onore.
They won't do it.

 

[Atomiswave 6,117]

9 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

I see.
If you want to see heads then you need bags as I say.
The thing is this with marxist ideas.
Thy want to nationalize the tank industry ok.
The air force too. Let's have Hawker Siddley Britain, Avro Anchone nationale, Mitsubishi Japan.
But leave the poor guy who sells "collections d' ete" in Carnaby street. boulevard Sait Onore.
They won't do it.

 

Well said my man.

[Atomiswave 6,117]

14 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Groper Joe Biden, roflmaoooooooo

so fucked up

Rump the Raper or Creepy Uncle Joe

and we (putting on my UK hat) get that cunt BoJo (ten quid says he fucked a pig's head just like that Tory twat Cameron)

 

All killers and pedo's.....you dont wanna be in one of those Castle parties they hold here and then.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

54 minutes ago, Atomiswave said:

Just saying there are men benind the men and have been so for many many decades and it will be so unless something big happens. One look at US and it tells its own story,.

When George W Bush was president he was speaking to a room of about 50 people. He said something along the lines 'you are my backers and the only ones that matter'. They were all weapons billionaires and oil billionaires.

[Vesper 30,085]

5 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

When George W Bush was president he was speaking to a room of about 50 people. He said something along the lines 'you are my backers and the only ones that matter'. They were all weapons billionaires and oil billionaires.

MSU Scholar Finds $21 Trillion in Unauthorized Federal Spending

https://research.msu.edu/msu-scholar-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-govt-spending/

Earlier this year, a Michigan State University economist, working with graduate students and a former government official, found $21 trillion in unauthorized spending in the departments of Defense and Housing and Urban Development for the years 1998-2015.

The work of Mark Skidmore and his team, which included digging into government websites and repeated queries to U.S. agencies that went unanswered, coincided with the Office of Inspector General, at one point, disabling the links to all key documents showing the unsupported spending. (Luckily, the researchers downloaded and stored the documents.)

The Department of Defense has announced it will conduct the first department-wide, independent financial audit in its history

Now, the Department of Defense has announced it will conduct the first department-wide, independent financial audit in its history (read the Dec. 7 announcement here).

The Defense Department did not say specifically what led to the audit. But the announcement came four days after Skidmore discussed his team’s findings on USAWatchdog, a news outlet run by former CNN and ABC News correspondent Greg Hunter.

“While we can’t know for sure what role our efforts to compile original government documents and share them with the public has played, we believe it may have made a difference,” said Skidmore, the Morris Chair in State and Local Government Finance and Policy at MSU.

Skidmore got involved last spring when he heard Catherine Austin Fitts, former assistant secretary of Housing and Urban Development, refer to a report which indicated the Army had $6.5 trillion in unsupported adjustments, or spending, in fiscal 2015. Given the Army’s $122 billion budget, that meant unsupported adjustments were 54 times spending authorized by Congress. Typically, such adjustments in public budgets are only a small fraction of authorized spending.

Skidmore thought Fitts had made a mistake. “Maybe she meant $6.5 billion and not $6.5 trillion,” he said. “So I found the report myself and sure enough it was $6.5 trillion.”

Skidmore and Fitts agreed to work together to investigate the issue further. Over the summer, two MSU graduate students searched government websites, especially the website of the Office of Inspector General, looking for similar documents dating to 1998. They found documents indicating a total $21 trillion in undocumented adjustments over the 1998-2015 period. (The original government documents and a report describing the issue can be found here.)

 

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[Atomiswave 6,117]

42 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

When George W Bush was president he was speaking to a room of about 50 people. He said something along the lines 'you are my backers and the only ones that matter'. They were all weapons billionaires and oil billionaires.

Well there you go.....thats just one part of the family. Its a small Club, they own all the land, all the banking system, all the coorporations, all the media outlets and so on....they have us by the balls and we dont even know it yet. And me or you aint invited. The wind blows the way they want it to....me and you have no say in the matter.