Politics & Stuff

[Thor 2,392]

34 minutes ago, Vesper said:

https://www.pavoterservices.pa.gov/Pages/voterregistrationstatus.aspx

 

[Vesper 28,767]

4 minutes ago, Thor said:

 

The FBI confirmend his name, age city

matches the voter records

positive DNA match

and here are pics of him dead

 

 

https://rumble.com/v56vka5-gunman-identified-as-20-year-old-thomas-matthew-crooks-in-trump-rally-shoot.html

 

drone photo at the event  (look at the shirt)

 

now dead

same shirt

 

the video and pic you posted is by a troll

 

 

[Thor 2,392]

30 minutes ago, Vesper said:

The FBI confirmend his name, age city

matches the voter records

positive DNA match

and here are pics of him dead

 

 

https://rumble.com/v56vka5-gunman-identified-as-20-year-old-thomas-matthew-crooks-in-trump-rally-shoot.html

 

drone photo at the event  (look at the shirt)

 

now dead

same shirt

 

the video and pic you posted is by a troll

 

 

All that and he still had a donation to dems as well. 

You seem hung up on this. 

[Fulham Broadway 16,829]

There will be more gun deaths today. 327 people shot every day in the US.

Enough guns for every US citizen to have three, you can buy bullets at supermarkets from vending machines, people fuelled by extreme rhetoric in social media posts, which the social media promote the most divisive....what could go wrong ?

[Vesper 28,767]

48 minutes ago, Thor said:

All that and he still had a donation to dems as well. 

You seem hung up on this. 

He was a registered Republican, it has been announced on major US media.

You are the one who seems intent on tryng to dispute it or mitigate it.

We have to all wait to see more in regards to his motivation(s).

[cosmicway 1,323]

When did he register as a republican ?
Maybe it was a decoy action so he could find his way near Trump.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

If Project 2025 is implemeted to a great degree, it will end the US as you currently know it to a level your jaw will drop.

It is the open and wanton destruction of the administrative state, a radical re-shaping of vast swathes of the government in a christofascist manner, and a general bringing down the curtains on open pluralistic tollerant democracy. It also will wreak tremendous havoc on the socio-economic superstructures of the US, including the national debt (a further explosion),  an even further radical concentration of wealth in the top 0.1 per cent, as well as (this is a Trump maddening stupid scheme) destroy the general economy (not just limited to balance od trade) with insanely high tariffs on most all imported goods.

It is a wide-ranging elevation of the bad endeavours in life at the expense of the common good.

But you do you.

FAFO

Its so bad that our side is thanking god the guy, who will do it, wasnt taken out before being able to do it?

 

[Thor 2,392]

10 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

When did he register as a republican ?
Maybe it was a decoy action so he could find his way near Trump.

A lot of people register the opposite to vote for shitty candidates on the opposing party. 

[cosmicway 1,323]

Just now, Thor said:

A lot of people register the opposite to vote for shitty candidates on the opposing party. 

You mean registered to vote someone like Hayley in the preliminaries.

[cosmicway 1,323]

Since JFK numbers of assassinations / attempts of politicians:

UK - zero
France - zero
Germany - 1
Italy - zero
Greece - 1
USA - 5

[Vesper 28,767]

37 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Italy - zero

Aldo Moro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro

Aldo Romeo Luigi Moro (Italian pronunciation: [ˈaldo ˈmɔːro] ^ⓘ; 23 September 1916 – 9 May 1978) was an Italian statesman and prominent member of Christian Democracy (DC) and its centre-left wing.^[1] He served as prime minister of Italy in five terms from December 1963 to June 1968 and from November 1974 to July 1976.^[2][3]

Moro served as Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs from May 1969 to July 1972 and again from July 1973 to November 1974. During his ministry, he implemented a pro-Arab policy. Moreover, he was appointed Italy's Minister of Justice and of Public Education during the 1950s. From March 1959 until January 1964, he served as secretary of the DC.^[4] On 16 March 1978, the kidnapping of Moro by the far-left armed group Red Brigades took place; he was killed after 55 days of captivity.^[5]

Moro was one of Italy's longest-serving post-war prime ministers, leading the country for more than six years. Moro implemented a series of social and economic reforms that modernized the country.^[6] Due to his accommodation with the Italian Communist Party leader Enrico Berlinguer, known as the Historic Compromise,^[7] Moro is widely considered to be one of the most prominent fathers of the modern Italian centre-left. He governed Italy through the Organic centre-left.^[8][9]

[Vesper 28,767]

How liberal conspiracy theories can be just as destructive as their extremist counterparts

https://theconversation.com/how-liberal-conspiracy-theories-can-be-just-as-destructive-as-their-extremist-counterparts-215424

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Combating Corbyn

Dave Rich, head of policy at the Community Security Trust (an organisation set up to protect the Jewish community) argues that, “most left-wing people are not antisemitic and, overall, the left’s history of opposing antisemitism outweighs its history of indulging it”.

But this didn’t stop exaggerated and indeed conspiratorial antisemitism allegations emerging from the British political centre in the mid-2010s to discredit then-Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters. While antisemitism has been proven to be a scourge across all political parties in Britain and there was indeed a cluster of actionable cases of antisemitism among Labour members at the time, just 0.3% of more than 500,000 members in 2018-19 faced such charges, according to Glasgow University Media Group’s Greg Philo and his co-authors.

Nonetheless, Corbyn’s critics asserted that anti-Jewish racism was rife among the party’s rank and file. Their statements involved fiery and excessive rhetoric – exactly what liberal “debunkers” decry in left and right-wing conspiracism.

Corbyn was accused by centrist Labour MP Ruth Smeeth of making the party “unsafe for Jews” and by liberal Rabbi Jonathan Sacks of risking “engulfing Britain in … flames of hatred”. Sacks went further by likening Corbyn to the infamous racist politician Enoch Powell.

 

Another feature of irrational conspiracy theorising – right, left or centre – is misinformation. In their rigorous examination of the situation, Bad News for Labour: Antisemitism, The Party And Public Belief, Philo and his co-authors uncovered the liberal media’s various “reporting errors” and its inflation of the number of members disciplined for antisemitism. The effect on public opinion was such that, “on average people believed that a third of Labour Party members had been reported for antisemitism”.

Philo and his colleagues also noted the efforts made by anti-Corbynites to conflate the Labour leader’s longstanding criticisms of the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories with anti-Jewish racism.

Corbyn himself repeatedly denied accusations of institutional antisemitism in the party but was suspended for claiming that such charges were “dramatically overstated for political reasons”. Leaked documents from within Labour and an Al Jazeera investigative report found that antisemitism had been “weaponised” against Corbyn by his adversaries.

In 2016, both the Chakrabarty Report and the Parliamentary Home Affairs Select Committee inquiry concluded that there was, in the words of the latter, “no reliable, empirical evidence to support the notion that there is a higher prevalence of antisemitic attitudes within the Labour Party than any other political party”.

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[cosmicway 1,323]

21 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Aldo Moro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldo_Moro

Aldo Romeo Luigi Moro (Italian pronunciation: [ˈaldo ˈmɔːro] ^ⓘ; 23 September 1916 – 9 May 1978) was an Italian statesman and prominent member of Christian Democracy (DC) and its centre-left wing.^[1] He served as prime minister of Italy in five terms from December 1963 to June 1968 and from November 1974 to July 1976.^[2][3]

Moro served as Italian Minister of Foreign Affairs from May 1969 to July 1972 and again from July 1973 to November 1974. During his ministry, he implemented a pro-Arab policy. Moreover, he was appointed Italy's Minister of Justice and of Public Education during the 1950s. From March 1959 until January 1964, he served as secretary of the DC.^[4] On 16 March 1978, the kidnapping of Moro by the far-left armed group Red Brigades took place; he was killed after 55 days of captivity.^[5]

Moro was one of Italy's longest-serving post-war prime ministers, leading the country for more than six years. Moro implemented a series of social and economic reforms that modernized the country.^[6] Due to his accommodation with the Italian Communist Party leader Enrico Berlinguer, known as the Historic Compromise,^[7] Moro is widely considered to be one of the most prominent fathers of the modern Italian centre-left. He governed Italy through the Organic centre-left.^[8][9]

Italy 1, my copy mistake.

[cosmicway 1,323]

In Greece there were three major assassinations:
Kapodistrias 1831, Deligiannins 1903, King George 1912.
Attempts against Venizelos 1920, 1933.
Attempt against Papadopoulos 1968.
Also I forgot Bakoyannis who was assassinated in 1989, by the 17N terrorists.

None of these changed history.
But for king George the Germans are suspected.
The killer, an anarchist, committed suicide soon after the act.
It was two years before WWI. George was certain to join the entente but his son Constantine was a neutralist.
But if the Germans waited for the war to start and king George to join the entente, it could n't work.
Under such circumstances Constantine could never declare himself a neutralist.
But two years before the war, for which the Germans were preparing, suited them.

A conspiracy theory exists about Kapodistrias too.
In his case it was a gang of land speculators was the official verdict.
But as he was pro-Russian it could have been the British behind it.


 

Edited July 14 by cosmicway

[cosmicway 1,323]

It's a wave of sympathy now for the orange man.
If JFK had escaped the assassination the same thing would happen.
As the reps opted for crazy Barry he would n't have much of a problem anyway but the wave of sympathy was going to be huge.

It's difficult to make a conspiracy theory for yesterday.
Missed his head by a mere 5 cm. The base of the skull close to the ear by less and I don't know what happens if a bullet hits there,
But it was the biggest gift possible for Trump and probably for the new MAGA candidate had the attempt been succesful !

[Fernando 6,453]

On 25/05/2024 at 09:30, cosmicway said:

He's likely to bring chaos and so destroy the republicans chances for 2028, but I don't see a succesful impeachment likely.

Like I said I always thought something was going to happen to him like an assassination. 

I just didn't expect it this early. I was guessing more like halfway his term someone was going to kill him. 

But now with this he will be more secured then ever. 

Nontheless crazy people trying to kill a running president. It happens everywhere, in Ecuador they killed a running president as well many have happen in Mexico. But what you get out of it? Your life, crazy people. 

Edited July 14 by Fernando

[Fernando 6,453]

11 hours ago, Thor said:

Just like the first time he was elected. If he wins - nothing will happen. The world will keep on keeping on. 

Yes it's the same. For both sides. When Obama got elected it was the end of the Christian nation and all that nonsense yet here we are. 

He gets elected it's the end of the liberal yet in a few years we will still be there. 

The president does not have enough to make a lasting change unless you change the constitution and stay unlimited like in Venezuela. 

Otherwise he will be another Petro from Colombia that many people don't like but will do he's 4 years and then someone else takes over. Not the end of the world. 

Edited July 14 by Fernando

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,919]

15 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yes it's the same. For both sides. When Obama got elected it was the end of the Christian nation and all that nonsense yet here we are. 

He gets elected it's the end of the liberal yet in a few years we will still be there. 

The president does not have enough to make a lasting change unless you change the constitution and stay unlimited like in Venezuela. 

Otherwise he will be another Petro from Colombia that many people don't like but will do he's 4 years and then someone else takes over. Not the end of the world. 

I mean of course its vote-farming, but you have to be committed to the vote farm if you want to maintain credibility.

 

For months we have been told nonstop that Trump, and this project, will be the end of the country. A country full of people with guns was told this. What do you expect to happen? Also, if what was said was true, why all the well-wishes now? Do you cry when cancer is removed? People are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

 

And nobody is even telling them to celebrate this. Just keep quiet. We dont need to have Obama coming out telling us this isnt the way when trump would have danced and joked if it was reversed. Just keep it quiet.