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[Spike 12,049]

Just now, kmk108 said:

@Spike doesn't everyone shit where they live? 

People shit in the streets of India.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/nov/18/open-defecation-india-solution-world-toilet-day

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27775327

[kmk108 1,186]

5 minutes ago, Spike said:

People shit in the streets of India.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/nov/18/open-defecation-india-solution-world-toilet-day

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-27775327

Oh did you mean hell is not shitting where you live?

i thought it you were misworded the phrase "shit where you eat" and had a laugh. 

[Spike 12,049]

7 minutes ago, kmk108 said:

Oh did you mean hell is not shitting where you live?

i thought it you were misworded the phrase "shit where you eat" and had a laugh. 

I think I did mean that.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

12 minutes ago, Spike said:

What do you mean 'hell' that no person signs up for? Asians and people of all races immigrate to America and thrive, people sign up to come to this country for a new life, a new opportunity. It's just reality that not all of them can succeed, sorry but that is life. Many of them do however, and I don't think you realise anything about the immigration policy. You may think you do being a 1st generation America, but you really don't.

Having a 'harder time to succeed' doesn't make it hell, I'm afraid. You cannot and will not convince me that America is 'hell' for Asians just because of some people's precognitive bias. Hell is having to sleep on your grandfather's tombstone because you have no where to live. Hell is having to shit where you live. Most Asians even report to succeeding in life at a far better rate than their parents. This 'victim-hood' is largely nonexistent. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/asianamericans-graphics/ 73% of Asians do not perceive this 'bamboo ceiling' you do. 19% of Asians have reported feeling discriminated against in America, as opposed to 71% of blacks, 52% Hispanics and 30% Whites. Even if you have suffered through bias and racism it doesn't make it the norm. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/29/roughly-half-of-hispanics-have-experienced-discrimination/

About Silicone Valley, did you not read my previous post? " You do realise not everyone in every field deserves an equal amount of the pie. If no Asians are entering the media industry, why would they have equal representation? The same exact logic applies to Jews. More Jews enter the media industry than other ethnicity so more Jews will be in the media. Just because a certain ethnicity makes up a % of the population doesn't entitle them to make up an equal representation in any field, that isn't how meritocracy works. " Why would an engineer be in the boardroom? That isn't their profession. It isn't logical to expect a 50% engineers, 50% accountants, 50% lawyers, 50% directors, 50% managers, and so forth. If there is a higher rate of Asians studying engineering there will be more Asians in engineering, it's simple.

It's complete and utter nonsense that Asians are always typecast into subservient roles. Why was an Asian Vice-President of Chase for years? Why do so many Asians run their own private medical clinics? The CEOs of Microsoft, Pepsi, Adobe and Mastercard are Indians. Youtube was ran by a Chinese-American, and many more successful people coming from America's smallest ethnic group. No offence but to me it looks like you have a victim-complex.

What do you mean Asian aren't allowed and sort of real representation? Who is stopping them? Honestly, show me the people that are actively preventing Asians from being a part of the media. Maybe if more Asians entered the media instead of having a cultural focus towards the academics, then there would be more Asians in media. Want a Japanese channel in Georgia? Don't' complain about it, start one like the Koreans, they have about five channels in their native language.   Asians are the not the only people that have the stigma of being the perpetual foreigner. Do you honestly believe that Hispanics don't have that stigma? I have that stigma and I'm white. Do you realise how difficult it is to be employed in America on a green-card? Sorry, if I don't buy into the eternal suffering of the Asian but Asians have no problems that other races don't also suffer. 

Why would my wife care about Cecilia Bustamante? Because they have the same heritage? Please, come off that nonsense, that is racist in itself to assume that in anyway my wife would care. Since when is every missing person reported?

Asian Americans are bursting through America. Medicine, technology, business, it's only time before they are largely represented in politics as well. They are more successful than any other group, there is no hell; Asians are not second class citizens. Nobody thinks 'that a dumbfuck Asian' but many people think 'that's a dumbfuck redneck', 'that's a dumbfuck nigger', 'that's a dumbfuck spic'. No old ladies clutch their purses when an Asian steps on a train, but they sure as hell do when a young black man does.

And the people who do emigrate have no idea whats it like to be Asian in America, and they self-segregate themselves into enclaves where they rarely, if ever, have to deal with other people outside of a professional setting(if that).  There is a reason why major cities still have China and Korea-towns in 2016. Would you sign up for a harder life? Of course not because naturally we will choose the path of least resistance when given choice in the matter.

 

There is always a worse situation on earth, that takes away nothing about it being a hell over here though. Nobody, who knows what they are getting themselves in, signs up for it viewing it objectively. I was having this conversation with my girlfriend. She has no idea what it is like to be Japanese in a place where the vast majority of people are not Japanese because that is all she knows. If she had to live a life always carrying that stigma with her she would be a completely different person the same way people who come over here always become  different people because going from a majority to minority is always something that will open your mind about the realities.

 

Engineers grow into companies.The American dream of working your way to the top is a stereotype that has always existed. Asians are underrepresented in working their way to the top in silicon valley. Why is this the case? Especially in environments where they will be dealing with mostly other engineer types? I don't buy its just because non-asians are going into roles solely to lord over a bunch engineers in a pure engineering environment. It seems like some "holistic" college crap they use to keep the Asian numbers from being the majority in most universities.

 

As far as the representation go they are being stopped by casting directors and the media in general. I don't want to harp on the same old casting choice again, but scarlett Johannson as Matoko really is a slap in the face to Asian actors who have roles continuously whitewashed in the industry. There are plenty of Asian actresses in hollywood waiting for a big break. The same thing happened with 21/Bringing down the house too. Asian actors are always easy to find until its time for the main role. There was a show, about Korean pop of all things on Nickelodeon, that outright refused to put any Asian males on the show until outrage. https://asamnews.com/2015/03/07/tv-producer-asian-guys-in-my-show-not-gonna-happen/. Now I am not a korean pop connoisseur like Beepu, but even I know the vast majority of the stars from it are dudes. This is a clear effort to undercut not only Asian Americans, but Asian males.

I don't expect your wife, or anyone else, to care about Cecilia. She was merely a quick thought exercise to question whether or not a bias could exist using an example of a person we would know about. She was missing a month before she was, from shame from social organizations, mentioned in the media. The question about whether or not the same would be true if she was blonde was more of a thought exercise for your wife to consider when thinking about bias we live with. . I think if she were Cecilia Bradley, blonde mother to a son, she would have been on WSBTV within a week.

 

Asians Americans are bursting through America through perseverance and hard work. That we can agree on, but just because the same stereotypes hurled at African Americans are not hurled at us does not mean the same stigmas don't exist. I have had people make accusations about the size of my genitalia, and my home life, based simply on my appearance. This is just as damaging. I knew guys, who were very attractive in my opinion, who were completely shut off from women based on these terrible stereotypes and the lack of media representation Asian men have.

 

Your pew links gives some good data, but I wonder how segmentalize are the people they talked to. Could a man, living in an enclave in a city, and a person living in a southern city really give the same reply in terms of experiences? I wonder how much of the experienced racism part has to do with the number of people who, through themselves or their parents, have completely lived lives inside of little Koreas or Chinas.

 

[Spike 12,049]

26 minutes ago, Sir Mikel OBE said:

And the people who do emigrate have no idea whats it like to be Asian in America, and they self-segregate themselves into enclaves where they rarely, if ever, have to deal with other people outside of a professional setting(if that).  There is a reason why major cities still have China and Korea-towns in 2016. Would you sign up for a harder life? Of course not because naturally we will choose the path of least resistance when given choice in the matter.

 

There is always a worse situation on earth, that takes away nothing about it being a hell over here though. Nobody, who knows what they are getting themselves in, signs up for it viewing it objectively. I was having this conversation with my girlfriend. She has no idea what it is like to be Japanese in a place where the vast majority of people are not Japanese because that is all she knows. If she had to live a life always carrying that stigma with her she would be a completely different person the same way people who come over here always become  different people because going from a majority to minority is always something that will open your mind about the realities.

 

Engineers grow into companies.The American dream of working your way to the top is a stereotype that has always existed. Asians are underrepresented in working their way to the top in silicon valley. Why is this the case? Especially in environments where they will be dealing with mostly other engineer types? I don't buy its just because non-asians are going into roles solely to lord over a bunch engineers in a pure engineering environment. It seems like some "holistic" college crap they use to keep the Asian numbers from being the majority in most universities.

 

As far as the representation go they are being stopped by casting directors and the media in general. I don't want to harp on the same old casting choice again, but scarlett Johannson as Matoko really is a slap in the face to Asian actors who have roles continuously whitewashed in the industry. There are plenty of Asian actresses in hollywood waiting for a big break. The same thing happened with 21/Bringing down the house too. Asian actors are always easy to find until its time for the main role. There was a show, about Korean pop of all things on Nickelodeon, that outright refused to put any Asian males on the show until outrage. https://asamnews.com/2015/03/07/tv-producer-asian-guys-in-my-show-not-gonna-happen/. Now I am not a korean pop connoisseur like Beepu, but even I know the vast majority of the stars from it are dudes. This is a clear effort to undercut not only Asian Americans, but Asian males.

I don't expect your wife, or anyone else, to care about Cecilia. She was merely a quick thought exercise to question whether or not a bias could exist using an example of a person we would know about. She was missing a month before she was, from shame from social organizations, mentioned in the media. The question about whether or not the same would be true if she was blonde was more of a thought exercise for your wife to consider when thinking about bias we live with. . I think if she were Cecilia Bradley, blonde mother to a son, she would have been on WSBTV within a week.

 

Asians Americans are bursting through America through perseverance and hard work. That we can agree on, but just because the same stereotypes hurled at African Americans are not hurled at us does not mean the same stigmas don't exist. I have had people make accusations about the size of my genitalia, and my home life, based simply on my appearance. This is just as damaging. I knew guys, who were very attractive in my opinion, who were completely shut off from women based on these terrible stereotypes and the lack of media representation Asian men have.

 

Your pew links gives some good data, but I wonder how segmentalize are the people they talked to. Could a man, living in an enclave in a city, and a person living in a southern city really give the same reply in terms of experiences? I wonder how much of the experienced racism part has to do with the number of people who, through themselves or their parents, have completely lived lives inside of little Koreas or Chinas.

 

Everybody enclaves into segregated neighbourhoods. Koreans, Chinese, Mexicans, Peurto Ricans, Indians, Pollacks, Ukrainians, Germans, Irish, etc. A fun fact; Buffalo, New York was entirely segregated by Irish and Germans and they even had their own cemeteries. So no, Asians are far from the only people that segregate themselves and integrate poorly. People like what they know and stick to it, that is just human instinct, we are tribal animals after-all. 

Engineers usually don't run companies that don't create. That is just how life is; they aren't being blocked because they are Asian, they are being blocked because they are engineers. There is a preconceived notion in the business world, that a businessman must be a business man and the worker are the workers. Upwards mobility is usually stifling for those that aren't in management positions. That isn't how meritocracy works. Most companies want to make money and I really doubt in very liberal California in probably the most liberal field there are many racists running companies and keeping the Asian man down and out. Businesses typically don't thrive on racism. http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/stem-education/2012/02/15/more-engineers-starting-businesses

In data sets there are always discrepancies. Why should a group that has 50% of the working population have a majority or any power in upper-management? That is a very leftist view on life, just because there are three people in a room and one has more money than the other two doesn't inherently mean the former has abused or stolen from the other two. What if most aren't pushing for upwards mobility? What if they aren't suited to management? What if they just plain don't want to?

They aren't being stopped by the directors or media, if you can give me solid evidence that isn't an opinion I'd concede that point. I really doubt directors and casting agents are thinking to themselves 'haha fucking Asians, no roles for you'. No they think with their wallets, and the most profitable stars in Hollywood are white. Why are they white? For two reasons: whites are the largest demographic to sell to in America and secondly people usually find their own race the most attractive. Hollywood sets the beauty standards incredibly high and to make the most money they need the most beautiful starlets in their roles. That is why Scarlette Johansen is playing a Japanese role, there is no racism, there is no secret agenda, it is motivated by pure greed. The main role in America isn't Asians, it's white people, that is why the main role goes to white people, to sell more tickets. It is just economics, people are inherently biased towards that sort of stuff. I'm sure you'd gravitate to a film that had a pretty Asian girl as the lead protagonist and there is nothing wrong with that. It's just like how Japanese videogame companies design videogames that appeal to a Japanese audience the most and produce most of their software on Playstation; because that is the console that Japanese people own. Whitewashing, blackwashing, yellowwashing, it's all done to appeal to a target demographic, I don't know the demographics of pre-teen Nickelodeon TV shows but I'd wager since most of America is white, most of the audience is white also. It is just appealing to the lowest common denominator, it isn't intrinsically racist unless the racism is looked for. The reference you provided me is an opinion piece from an Asian journal, you know they have an agenda. Think about it, just like Makoto being cast as a white person to appeal to a target audience, AsAm News appeals to Asian-Americans but cherry-picking creating drama for their target audience; Asian-Americans. 

You aren't the only person that has had assumptions made on the superficial. I've had people assume that I'm a drunk racist because of how I speak. Attractive in your opinion, doesn't mean attractive in their opinion. Let's be honest here, everyone has a type. Personally I'm not particularly attracted to black people, and there isn't anything racist in that. 

Perhaps, the people that segmantilize themselves in enclaves are racist themselves? Perhaps they are the people that discriminate? Many Blacks and Latinos live in enclaves but still hasn't prevented over 50% of them facing discrimination. 

I'm not saying that some Asians don't have it tough, or that they don't live in poverty or that they don't face discrimination but every does, every race does, even the majority race. If had to choose a race other than white, I'd easily go Asian, Latino and then black purely on the basis of least resistance. I already have to deal with the bullshit of people 'asking where I'm from' on a daily basis so that is one thing we have in common.  

Hell even today, there is a strong social media movement that is anti-white, you can't have missed this, it really is everywhere. It seem racism on all fronts is something to be wary of. White-male cis scum seems to be a popular tagline for some people.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

I heard there's a police strike in Brazil at Espírito Santo. People are being killed everywhere and the media hasn't mentioned anything about it. I hope no Brazilian here is caught up in this disaster 

[manpe 10,861]

2 hours ago, kellzfresh said:

I heard there's a police strike in Brazil at Espírito Santo. People are being killed everywhere and the media hasn't mentioned anything about it. I hope no Brazilian here is caught up in this disaster 

Possibly fake news https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/5scsid/police_go_on_strike_in_brazil_cities_being_wiped/

Any Brazilians here can confirm?

[Fernando 6,585]

21 hours ago, CHOULO19 said:

Sorry but I REALLY don't understand the point you are trying to make. So let's retrace what we were saying and you tell me what I'm missing:

- You said that everything is up for debate.

-I said No, equal civil and human rights for everyone are not debatable. Meaning that even if a majority think that a group of people should have less rights than others the state cannot take away those people's rights.

Myanmar was one example. It is an example of how discrimination can be legalized if you make human and civil rights debatable. Same with slavery, LGBT rights...etc. If human and civil rights are up for debate then minorities every where are screwed. 

One thing your wrong is that LGBT is not the same thing as slavery. 

LGBT is a lifestyle, minority is a race. 

Nonetheless my point still stand, your not going to help free speech by being violent against someone for his speech. 

Berkley is only the beginning, where they preach Tolerance and acceptance, but by their action they are the one being Intolerant. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

38 minutes ago, Fernando said:

One thing your wrong is that LGBT is not the same thing as slavery. 

LGBT is a lifestyle, minority is a race. 

Nonetheless my point still stand, your not going to help free speech by being violent against someone for his speech. 

Berkley is only the beginning, where they preach Tolerance and acceptance, but by their action they are the one being Intolerant. 

How do you know that being LGBT is a lifestyle? Are you gay or trans yourself? If not, how in the world can you know?

[Fernando 6,585]

5 minutes ago, CHOULO19 said:

How do you know that being LGBT is a lifestyle? Are you gay or trans yourself? If not, how in the world can you know?

Because your not born into it. 

If anything LGBT is like a religious belief. You choose to walk in it. As well you can stop being gay. Many testimony about that. 

I don't choose to be born white, or black. I'm born in that category. 

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Just now, Fernando said:

Because your not born into it. 

If anything LGBT is like a religious belief. You choose to walk in it. 

I don't choose to be born white, or black. I'm born in that category. 

Almost everyone who is LGBT says that it is not a choice and that they are born this way and can't choose their gender identity or sexual orientation.

What makes you think that your belief on the matter, even though you have no idea how they actually feel, is more right than their own experiences? 

[Fernando 6,585]

Just now, CHOULO19 said:

Almost everyone who is LGBT says that it is not a choice and that they are born this way and can't choose their gender identity or sexual orientation.

What makes you think that your belief on the matter, even though you have no idea how they actually feel, is more right than their own experiences? 

 

[manpe 10,861]

Because your not born into it. 
If anything LGBT is like a religious belief. You choose to walk in it. As well you can stop being gay. Many testimony about that. 
I don't choose to be born white, or black. I'm born in that category. 

Ignorance is strong with this one.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

3 minutes ago, Fernando said:

 

The fuck makes you think I will watch that?!

As I said, the vast majority of LGBT people are convinced by their own experiences that they are born that way. A tiny minority won't change that nor will people who are not LGBT who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

[manpe 10,861]

The fuck makes you think I will watch that?! [emoji38]

As I said, the vast majority of LGBT people are convinced by their own experiences that they are born that way. A tiny minority won't change that nor will people who are not LGBT who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

Give it up mate, you're talking to a guy who thinks being discriminated, persecuted and killed/imprisoned in some places is a choice of lifestyle.