The European Competitions Thread

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

it is a rare thing, unfortunately

many managers are loved by the players but NOT respected

you have to maintain some distance or you become just a big brother or the leader of a gang of kids

Of course managers need to maintain that line between being their manager and "friends" so to speak but having that bond is important. Otherwise, you risk becoming a Mourinho or a Sarri. 

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Just now, Jason said:

Of course managers need to maintain that line between being their manager and "friends" so to speak but having that bond is important. Otherwise, you risk becoming a Mourinho or a Sarri. 

Or a Conte 

Geeee, what do those 3 have in common?

It is one the tip of my tongue.....

Smdh

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Just now, Vesper said:

Or a Conte 

Geeee, what do those 3 have in common?

It is one the tip of my tongue.....

Smdh

Think Conte has the bond with his players but he just ends up destroying that through his unsavory, off-putting antics. 

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18 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

True psg Defence was class. Even kehrer just had a meh  game not even a shocker. Apart frontet goal bayern had just one chance. Bayern are just so clinical it’s madness. If we had neuer and they had Kepa we would have thrashed them at the bridge

I love both teams, so not upset at the outcome, although i feel bad for Thiago Silva as what a shit way to go out on your last game

hope this doesn't change PSG's mind

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13 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

I wish Bayern had Kepa as their Goalkeeper lol

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thread winner if ever their was one!!!!

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it is a rare thing, unfortunately
many managers are loved by the players but NOT respected
you have to maintain some distance or you become just a big brother or the leader of a gang of kids

It depends what players you have as a coach. When you have those Bayern players that all love Hansi so much because he is clearly a loveable dude and you have more chilled out personalities like Müller, Gnabry, Lewa, Boateng, Alaba, Davies etc. in your team, it works perfectly. It only becomes a problem when you have guys like Messi, maybe Ramos or such guys in your team that would not respect you. But this Bayern team is a team full of goofy players and they are more relaxed and Hansi is a man that is not a dictator or someone like that. Bayern does well with coaches like Jupp and Hansi (even though Jupp was way better, but their character seems similar).
Guys like Conte or Mourinho would never last at Bayern under current players.


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Tuchel fell victim to the 'lightning strike' fallacy

he though because the dreadful Choupo-Moting (and he is dreadful, make no mistake) had scored the winner before that it would happen again

and he left a massive striker on the bench in Icardi who specialises in late goals, as I said before

that and not starting Verratti, who has been magnificent all season, just world class

surely he is going to be thinking these two things for years

and deep down, even moreso, thinking... Neymar.................WTF!!!!

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5 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

It depends what players you have as a coach. When you have those Bayern players that all love Hansi so much because he is clearly a loveable dude and you have more chilled out personalities like Müller, Gnabry, Lewa, Boateng, Alaba, Davies etc. in your team, it works perfectly. It only becomes a problem when you have guys like Messi, maybe Ramos or such guys in your team that would not respect you. But this Bayern team is a team full of goofy players and they are more relaxed and Hansi is a man that is not a dictator or someone like that. Bayern does well with coaches like Jupp and Hansi (even though Jupp was way better, but their character seems similar).
Guys like Conte or Mourinho would never last at Bayern under current players.


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goofy players and Bayern are not usually in the same sentence, but it is very true

they have almost no player who you would put into the 'pure prick' category

Manuel Neuer at times, but even he not an ogre, at least IMHO, I am sure many will disagree

he is just very entitled, which, at his level, you can afford to be

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4 minutes ago, Vesper said:

Tuchel fell victim to the 'lightning strike' fallacy

he though because the dreadful Choupo-Moting (and he is dreadful, make no mistake) had scored the winner before that it would happen again

and he left a massive striker on the bench in Icardi who specialises in late goals, as I said before

that and not starting Verratti, who has been magnificent all season, just world class

surely he is going to be thinking these two things for years

and deep down, even moreso, thinking... Neymar.................WTF!!!!

was absoltuely baffled by that. Choupo Moting failed two clorious chances. Icardi would have been perfect for this scenario. terrible choice to let icardi rot on the bench. i thought he was maybe cup tied or sthlike that at first bc he never played when i watched. weird stuff

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Tuchel fell victim to the 'lightning strike' fallacy
he though because the dreadful Choupo-Moting (and he is dreadful, make no mistake) had scored the winner before that it would happen again
and he left a massive striker on the bench in Icardi who specialises in late goals, as I said before
that and not starting Verratti, who has been magnificent all season, just world class
surely he is going to be thinking these two things for years
and deep down, even moreso, thinking... Neymar.................WTF!!!!

But was Verratti when he came on really a gamechanger though?
Paredes Herrera and Marquinhos were fantastic in my opinion.
Tuchel lost because Mbappe and especially Neymar did not score those goals. You can always concede against Bayern, but PSG had so many clear chances to score a goal and had bad luck with the not given penalty.

You can argue that Icardi should have come on yes, but I think Tuchel preferred a taller option for the last ten minutes, so they can score a header.

Tuchels biggest weakness is that he overthinks big games like Pep, but he showed that he solved that problem in the last two matches or so. Was a very good coach at BVB and PSG did not lose because of Tuchel. If Neymar and Mbaple scored those chances, they would have won the CL and in my opinion, they actually deserved it really. Great performance overall.

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31 minutes ago, Magic Lamps said:

was absoltuely baffled by that. Choupo Moting failed two clorious chances. Icardi would have been perfect for this scenario. terrible choice to let icardi rot on the bench. i thought he was maybe cup tied or sthlike that at first bc he never played when i watched. weird stuff

not cup tied at all

he played a lot for PG in the CL this season

but ONCE since December

12 goals in only 19 league games and only 14 of those games were starts

the bloke had 20 goals, 4 assists in only half a season's minutes

baffling

he is a proven goalscorer for ages

and it isn't like PSG play a game where he needs to be a stand up, bruising target hold-up man, like a Giroud

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another move I really question was Draxler on and not Sarabia, who has been brilliant in mutiple games I have watched him thsi year

Sarabia was tracking to 24 goals and 14 or so assists or so over a full seasons minutes

Draxler is not at all a poor, player, he himself produced 7 goals and 6 assists in only 1100 minutes, but still, Sarabia is the better player, more likely to set up a goal or score one

strange subs

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goofy players and Bayern are not usually in the same sentence, but it is very true
they have almost no player who you would put into the 'pure prick' category
Manuel Neuer at times, but even he not an ogre, at least IMHO, I am sure many will disagree
he is just very entitled, which, at his level, you can afford to be

Maybe goofy is the wrong word. I mean players that are funny and more outgoing, making jokes all the time. When you watch some of the Bayern videos, all players are happy, making jokes and you can see they have fun. Just like our Mason Mount.

But guys like Mou and Conte need soldiers.
Conte needs players that want to die for him.
But this Bayern group is not like that. They want to have fun and coaches like Mou are not good for their creativity on the pitch. They want to be more free.

I think Neuer is alright. The only player maybe that might be a prick is kimmich, but that is only because he is very arrogant during interviews, or at least this is how I interpret his interviews.

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12 minutes ago, killer1257 said:

 

 

Maybe goofy is the wrong word. I mean players that are funny and more outgoing, making jokes all the time. When you watch some of the Bayern videos, all players are happy, making jokes and you can see they have fun. Just like our Mason Mount.

But guys like Mou and Conte need soldiers.
Conte needs players that want to die for him.
But this Bayern group is not like that. They want to have fun and coaches like Mou are not good for their creativity on the pitch. They want to be more free.

I think Neuer is alright. The only player maybe that might be a prick is kimmich, but that is only because he is very arrogant during interviews, or at least this is how I interpret his interviews.

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Kimmich would be close to the top of first players I would grab off that team though

fucking love him as a player, and he only turned 25 six months ago, seems like he has been around for 10 years

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1 hour ago, killer1257 said:

Hansi Flick is just loved by the players. He gives those Jupp Heynckes vibes because he is just a loveable guy. I think that Bayern players like those type of coaches more than the more strict coaches.

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They had problem with Ancelotti though who is known to be more of a man manager rather than a tactician.

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5 minutes ago, communicate said:

They had problem with Ancelotti though who is known to be more of a man manager rather than a tactician.

Problem with Ancelotti was that his training methods didn't have any intensity. It was all too relaxed.

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2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Problem with Ancelotti was that his training methods didn't have any intensity. It was all too relaxed.

I will take that 2009/10 team level of relaxed all day long, lolol

truly was a glorious side to watch 

my teenie years, sigh

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

Think Conte has the bond with his players but he just ends up destroying that through his unsavory, off-putting antics. 

I hope people now realise he was the one at fault, not Costa back then.