New Chelsea Manager

[Joker10 946]

The club signed Mata and Meireless. AVB's input and role in our football board is unknown. The only thing we do know is that all moves are collective and therefore a mere change of a single person is not going to redefine our goal.

As I said losing the 2 most influential and important players of the style we've had since Mourinho is going change the situation more than any manager could by himself. The club has been planning to replace them by mega-signings like Mata and Torres and it's only a matter of the club finding the person to create a winning team with the assembled squad and the players performing to their abilities.

Getting rid of primitive labels such as beautiful/attacking/negative/ugly football is a must if we want to make progress with such discussions. We're not journos and we can do better than them.

I seriously doubt Meireless would be a Chelsea player if AVB wasn't our manager. It has AVB signing all over it, and consider his connection and history with the player. Another signing Romeu is without a doubt a AVB recommendation. We also know we were interested in Alvaro Pereira, he would be Chelsea player if it wasn't for the steep price.Evidence strongly suggest AVB had major influence on transfers.

You still suggest that the club assembles the squad and then finds a manger to make it work. If that was the case then no manager would walk into the job. Sorry i have hard time believing AVB "the hottest young manager in the world" and managing his childhood club would leave his job for this proposition.

It makes a lot more sense that AVB would have power over the signings and his philosophy aligns with the club aspirations.

I don't think AVB firing changes the course of the club, i would expect the new manager to somewhat share AVB philosophy and playing style. That is not Capello he is the opposite. lol

[cujo101 75]

Capello to Chelsea is all over the papers this morning. On the eve to the CL final = typical timing for Chelsea. I read that Ruud Guillt believes that RA would prefer the Blues to lose tomorrow because he feels he will be unable to get rid of RdM should Chelsea win. I think RA will let RdM go regardless of the result which is a disgrace. A rolling 1 year contract would be perfect for Robbie. I'm not interested in 'big name managers' just good ones...

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

I read that Ruud Guillt believes that RA would prefer the Blues to lose tomorrow because he feels he will be unable to get rid of RdM should Chelsea win.

Couldn't believe that when I saw it. Can't image Ruud saying something like that. Can guarantee it's been taken out of context.

[Slam Dunk 1,442]

Couldn't believe that when I saw it. Can't image Ruud saying something like that. Can guarantee it's been taken out of context.

Yeah he confirmed on his twitter.

Ruud Gullit ‏@GullitR

I saw the article in the sun. Gave simultaneous a interview to a lot of papers but I never said that roman wants to lose

Bloody media.

[cujo101 75]

Well done The Scum.

[ack17 205]

Jamie Alexander ‏@JamieAlexTimes

Just finished interviewing Capello's spokeswomen; she says the Chelsea job will be offered to him if Chelsea lose CL final. #cfc#Chelsea

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

Jamie Alexander ‏@JamieAlexTimes

Just finished interviewing Capello's spokeswomen; she says the Chelsea job will be offered to him if Chelsea lose CL final. #cfc#Chelsea

Very interesting. So Di Matteo wins he stays by the looks of it.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

It's a fake account.

James Ducker ‏@DuckerTheTimes

On an amusing note @JamieAlexTimes has opened a fake account claiming to have replaced me on the paper. Is that true boss@TonyEvansTimes ?

[Kostas 1,468]

I seriously doubt Meireless would be a Chelsea player if AVB wasn't our manager. It has AVB signing all over it, and consider his connection and history with the player.

But I obviously am! Meireles left Porto for Liverpool just after AVB assumed power, I'm not sure if Raul even played a game under AVB. Either you weren't aware of that fact or we have a different understanding of how footballing relations work. The fact that Meireles did very well in a mid-table PL club and his hard-working footballing profile/style counted more for the club than his short familiarity with AVB.

Another signing Romeu is without a doubt a AVB recommendation. We also know we were interested in Alvaro Pereira, he would be Chelsea player if it wasn't for the steep price.Evidence strongly suggest AVB had major influence on transfers.

On Romeu: Again I find giving the credits for his signing to AVB rather simplistic. Scouting Barcelona's reserves is definitely something than more than a couple dozen clubs do and signing a 2nd defensive midfielder to strengthen an extremely weak and thin midfield doesn't take a genius.

Collective decisions.

You still suggest that the club assembles the squad and then finds a manger to make it work. If that was the case then no manager would walk into the job. Sorry i have hard time believing AVB "the hottest young manager in the world" and managing his childhood club would leave his job for this proposition.

The last manager who threw a tantrum over power games was Mourinho. The very prospect of being one of the highest earners in football and having a team that you could potentially turn into winners while experiencing the very highest level in club football is enough to attract the biggest names, ask Ancelotti. The myth of a manager who has absolute power is dispelled in our case and while managers will always strive for greater control and unless you are Ferguson, Mourinho or Wenger you are extremely unlikely to be given the sort of power football managers traditionally have had at the top level. It is at that point that you see that managers are seperated into those who react to failures by blaming their superiors (Benitez) and those who handle the situation with "dignity" like true diplomats (Ancelotti).

I've been looking for an excuse to post this brilliant article for 2 years. I think you should give it a read to understand the difference in our viewpoints.

It makes a lot more sense that AVB would have power over the signings and his philosophy aligns with the club aspirations.

I don't think AVB firing changes the course of the club, i would expect the new manager to somewhat share AVB philosophy and playing style. That is not Capello he is the opposite. lol

Football philosophy may sound great and beautiful in interviews and books but is too abstract in itself .

If you are referring to extreme high-pressure + possession football I would say that both AVB and the club realized that our squad was not capable of pulling that off fairly early in the season due to numerous (already documented) reasons.

Edit:

it is more likely that AVB simply told Emenalo the positions that he wanted reinforced and he responded with the likes of Mata.

I was really skeptical of Emenalo but I think he has demonstrated even though he's tactically inept he certainly has an eye for talent and moving forward, I trust him.

It is important to note that unlike the man who Emenalo supposedly succeeded (Hint:the most hated former Chelsea man in the summer) Emenalo does not hold a position in the Football Board and has little to do with out academy despite being the head of our Scouting Department. Again this change in personnel/role was another case of taking the power from a single person/role and in favor of collective decisions.

Tactical knowledge (see this) is irrelevant for Emenalo's role. On the other hand the degree of Sports Administration he holds is not.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Kostas

[Jype 6,398]

Put in a cheeky bet at 6/1 on Capello being the next boss after growing rumors of him being Roman's choice should we lose the final tomorrow. Don't really want him but if he's to be chosen then I'll at least make some money out of it.

[xPetrCechx 13,570]

Capello Chelsea link played down

His son and lawyer denies talks

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/20876/7763789/Capello-Chelsea-link-played-down

[OneMoSalah 8,885]

Capello Chelsea link played down

His son and lawyer denies talks

http://www1.skysport...ink-played-down

thank god, I would hate if Capello was our next boss.

[Joker10 946]

But I obviously am! Meireles left Porto for Liverpool just after AVB assumed power, I'm not sure if Raul even played a game under AVB. Either you weren't aware of that fact or we have a different understanding of how footballing relations work. The fact that Meireles did very well in a mid-table PL club and his hard-working footballing profile/style counted more for the club than his short familiarity with AVB.

For me their their familiarity and root at Porto suggest he was a AVB recommendation.

On Romeu: Again I find giving the credits for his signing to AVB rather simplistic. Scouting Barcelona's reserves is definitely something than more than a couple dozen clubs do and signing a 2nd defensive midfielder to strengthen an extremely weak and thin midfield doesn't take a genius.

AVB also wanted Romeu at Porto before he left, a player that he wanted well before he moved to Chelsea. Romeu has said that AVB convinced him to join Chelsea. We definitely needed to booster the DM, but if it wasn't for AVB that person wasne't going to be Romeu.

It is a collective decision, but the manager has a stronger role in transfers. Not all signings are brought up them, but they still have their input. Example Kevin De Bruyne, Lukaku, and Courtois.

The last manager who threw a tantrum over power games was Mourinho. The very prospect of being one of the highest earners in football and having a team that you could potentially turn into winners while experiencing the very highest level in club football is enough to attract the biggest names, ask Ancelotti. The myth of a manager who has absolute power is dispelled in our case and while managers will always strive for greater control and unless you are Ferguson, Mourinho or Wenger you are extremely unlikely to be given the sort of power football managers traditionally have had at the top level. It is at that point that you see that managers are seperated into those who react to failures by blaming their superiors (Benitez) and those who handle the situation with "dignity" like true diplomats (Ancelotti).

Not saying AVB had absolute power and full control. But his influence is greater then you suggest, is much greater then a guy given a squad and try to win with them.

By AVB philosophy i do mean the high-line+possession+High Press. I still believe this is the style they club want to achieve, as we further rebuild our squad.

[Kostas 1,468]

For me their their familiarity and root at Porto suggest he was a AVB recommendation.

Even though Meireles left Porto after 6 years as soon as AVB took over?

AVB also wanted Romeu at Porto before he left, a player that he wanted well before he moved to Chelsea. Romeu has said that AVB convinced him to join Chelsea. We definitely needed to booster the DM, but if it wasn't for AVB that person wasne't going to be Romeu.

I won't be convinced by articles/talk after both switched teams. If you've got any source prior to both moving then I'll be convinced.

Not saying AVB had absolute power and full control. But his influence is greater then you suggest, is much greater then a guy given a squad and try to win with them.

Even if that's not what the contractual talks are about it is clearly that by which managers are judged by (and sacked for). AVB (or anyone before him) wasn't sacked because of his transfers (or lack of them). He was sacked because he group of players he had to manage could do better than 1.70 points per game and it didn't look like an improvement was possible.

By AVB philosophy i do mean the high-line+possession+High Press. I still believe this is the style they club want to achieve, as we further rebuild our squad.

Arguing this would be useless since the appointment of a manager and a couple of 1st team transfers can change the situation but I think the majority of our transfers in the last 2 years and the players that could potentially be important in the future don't suit this approach. Ramires,Sturridge and Torres are players that need space to thrive (the pace of the first 2 is practically wasted in any other situation), Lukaku is The Next Drogba™ and Mata failed as a winger under that "philosophy" because never did his part in our pressing (nor did Sturridge). Oriol became relevant only after a major change in the defensive high-line.

[Tomo 21,751]

Nope, 1 is RDM, The two others are young managers who like to play good football and who have done very well with limited resources, and done very well in the transfer market aswell.

Working miracles with limited budget's doesn't necessarily mean you will rule the world when you have got money to play with.