🇩🇰 Andreas Christensen

[SUNZ 155]

Too weak and soft to ever be a good CB.

[manpe 10,861]

On 07/12/2019 at 4:32 PM, calculatingInfinity said:

Yep, but the 3 at the back formation fit him so much better at least, it covered a lot of his flaws imo.

I think defenders for whom 3 CB formation suits better are defenders who are just not that good. It suits them better because they have more cover - Luiz, Alonso, Moses are good examples. It made them look world class, stick them in a 4 and they would crumble. Conte realized that early and it transformed us. It's the system's strength, a 4-man backline simply requires better individuals who can fend for themselves.

[Tomo 21,751]

I don't get what's happened to him. That half a season when he returned he was the best young defender in the world. He may have been helped with the formation but we played the same formation when he wasn't playing and our defense was drastically worse off.

The only two things I can think of is he either got complacent after signing his new contract or his first big drop in form ruined him.

[Vesper 30,185]

27 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I don't get what's happened to him. That half a season when he returned he was the best young defender in the world. He may have been helped with the formation but we played the same formation when he wasn't playing and our defense were drastically worse off.

The only two things I can think of is he either got complacent after signing his new contract or his first big drop in form ruined him.

I have no clue, it has vexed me for years now

 

[manpe 10,861]

40 minutes ago, Tomo said:

I don't get what's happened to him. That half a season when he returned he was the best young defender in the world. He may have been helped with the formation but we played the same formation when he wasn't playing and our defense were drastically worse off.

The only two things I can think of is he either got complacent after signing his new contract or his first big drop in form ruined him.

I think he has lost belief in himself, he has stopped believing he is a top defender since that Barca game. Being dropped by Conte, humiliated by Sarri and having spells out injured probably destroyed his long-term confidence. It's a mental issue I believe because earlier he really was much better than now.

[Vesper 30,185]

On 12/7/2019 at 2:24 PM, milan.cech said:

This fella just does not cut it. What happened to him? Under Conte, before the Barca clash, he was the first name on the sheet. But the CL knock out experience killed him. And Sarri then publicly took him down by saying he is shitting it before games.

Clearly not what we should have in the team. The sooner Lampard realizes it, the better for him.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/andreas-christensen-angers-maurizio-sarri-13898875

But it has emerged that Christensen did not stick around to see the final whistle. The Times reported on Wednesday that, having watched Sarri use his third and final substitution to introduce Callum Hudson-Odoi at the Emirates Stadium, the Danish defender decided to head to the dressing room to use the toilet.

Christensen did not reappear despite there still being 15 minutes, including stoppage time, of the game left to play but when asked about the incident Sarri insisted he was concerned about the health of his player.

“I was worried, more than anything," Sarri said, laughing. "You know very well that, on match days, Christensen always has stomach ache.

 

 

[manpe 10,861]

10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/andreas-christensen-angers-maurizio-sarri-13898875

But it has emerged that Christensen did not stick around to see the final whistle. The Times reported on Wednesday that, having watched Sarri use his third and final substitution to introduce Callum Hudson-Odoi at the Emirates Stadium, the Danish defender decided to head to the dressing room to use the toilet.

Christensen did not reappear despite there still being 15 minutes, including stoppage time, of the game left to play but when asked about the incident Sarri insisted he was concerned about the health of his player.

“I was worried, more than anything," Sarri said, laughing. "You know very well that, on match days, Christensen always has stomach ache.

 

 

 

Still can't believe Sarri said that. One of the most humiliating things I've heard a manager say about his player.

[NikkiCFC 8,324]

Apparently wanted by Milan. 40m + Chris for Romagnoli? 

But it looks like he don't want to leave Italy and it seems Frank prefers physical CBs plus Raiola factor so never gonna happen. 

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

20 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Apparently wanted by Milan. 40m + Chris for Romagnoli? 

But it looks like he don't want to leave Italy and it seems Frank prefers physical CBs plus Raiola factor so never gonna happen. 

You must be dreamimg haha.

AC Milan may be interested in Andreas but they arent daft, they will have been tracking him and seen how he has fared this last year. They want him on loan with an obligation to buy so they obviously want to see if he can make an impact before committing too.

No chance they would accept such a fee and Andreas for their captain who is a very good player. Would be like offering 40m and Caballero for Donnarumma... 

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard also spoke at length about improving Christensen. 

[Jase 43,479]

Lampard on selling Christensen...

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2020/01/10/frank-lampard-rules-trio-out--updates-on-january-speculation-and?_branch_match_id=744198548489059432

‘I can rule that out. I like Andreas as a player, I used to train with him and saw the talent coming through and I want him to be the best that he can be. You see the height, the athleticism and the quality on the ball, particularly his choice of pass, and I want him to be all the things he can be.

‘The reality is we have competition at centre-back so most weeks two of them won’t be that happy, one particularly not happy, but as with all the players I want to work on parts of their game that I think they can improve.

‘Against Aston Villa, I thought he was immense and then sometimes if we are coming up against teams who are physical then Andreas really has to stand up to that and I don’t mind saying that. He knows that and needs to know that but those little bits in his game can really make him the fantastic centre-half that I think he can be.’

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Frank likes him as a player? He has played under 700 minutes in the PL this season. He has used him sparingly more than Sarri did but I dont think he really rates him considering the constant links to CBs and talk of him leaving.

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

Frank likes him as a player? He has played under 700 minutes in the PL this season. He has used him sparingly more than Sarri did but I dont think he really rates him considering the constant links to CBs and talk of him leaving.

Christensen has actually already played more this season in the league than last. He's played 672 PL minutes this term, compared to 615 last season. Got majority of his minutes in the Europa League last season.

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

Just now, Jason said:

Christensen has actually already played more this season in the league than last. He's played 672 PL minutes this term, compared to 615 last season. Got majority of his minutes in the Europa League last season.

I know but that is still only the equivalent of what like almost 8 PL games. Out of 21. Considering the amount of times FL has used a back 3 as well and Christensen hasnt been in there either, it makes me wonder. Ake links dont make sense either if he really rates AC.

[Jase 43,479]

Just now, OneMoSalah said:

I know but that is still only the equivalent of what like almost 8 PL games. Out of 21. Considering the amount of times FL has used a back 3 as well and Christensen hasnt been in there either, it makes me wonder. Ake links dont make sense either if he really rates AC.

Maybe Lampard does rate Christensen, maybe he doesn't but if it's the latter, then Lampard sure knows how to make it look convincing with his lengthy explanation.  

[OneMoSalah 8,886]

4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Maybe Lampard does rate Christensen, maybe he doesn't but if it's the latter, then Lampard sure knows how to make it look convincing with his lengthy explanation.  

I just dont buy it.

I mean Andreas had huge success when he broke in to our team in a back 3 under Conte. Frank talks about his ability about picking the right pass/quality of pass yet how many times have we seen Zouma in that middle CB role when we have used a 3? Overhitting poor long range passes? Or Rudiger on the right side doing the exact same?

I think if we got 30m or 40m the club would sell Andreas without hesitation and I doubt Frank would stand in their way.

He has certainly regressed the last 2 years. No doubt. 

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1 minute ago, OneMoSalah said:

I just dont buy it.

I mean Andreas had huge success when he broke in to our team in a back 3 under Conte. Frank talks about his ability about picking the right pass/quality of pass yet how many times have we seen Zouma in that middle CB role? Overhitting poor long range passes? Or Rudiger on the right side doing the exact same?

I think if we got 30m or 40m the club would sell Andreas without hesitation and I doubt Frank would stand in their way.

Guess take it with a pinch of salt because Lampard certainly isn't going to throw someone under the bus. 

I don't think he or the club is completely sold on Ake. Otherwise, we would have activated the buy back clause by now. They might just be biding their time for the summer. 

[Vesper 30,185]

wellll bläääääääääääääääääää

looks like my last several days take that there is a good possibility we make no real moves this January is fast becoming a potential reality

and then come summer it will be the old 'Well, we simply cannot make THAT many moves in one window', so only a few things might get addressed, if even those few

really is a dangerous game of chicken we are moving toward

if we shit out on Chilwell, Sancho (I do not see us spending the money it takes to buy him, I gotta call it like I see it am) and then Werner (plus perhaps even lose out on Dembele as a shit tonne of other clubs will be (and are now) chasing him), we are really going to be in a tight spot

especially if we lose Willian on a free (and even keeping him is not really THAT great a prize, especially as he will be 32 and 33yo if we renew him for a 2 year)

we also may likely still be stuck with most all of the loan dregs on the books still (and rapidly devaluing each window that passes)

and be stuck with the same two (plus emergency Azpi) fails at LB

Also we may very well have no remotely affordable options at CB (as Ake will now be off the table do to his buybackback, plus the other two young EPL CB's (Caglar Söyüncü (who is soon going to cost Maguire level cash is he continues to explode in quality) especially and then even Diop, who was NEVER going to be sold for only 40m, that was a pipe dream) be even more expensive) and IF our current CB's regress or simply do not play collectively well, we are then looking at £70m to 100m options across the board (or damn near it) other than Diop, who was always going to go for at least 50m, if not more, as well

for wingers, if no Sancho, it will make even less sense to drop £80m on Zaha 6, 7 months from now, as he will be only a few months away from 28 if we do it in then, so hlf a year less than even the short peak time he has left

no clue on CF if we miss on Werner and Dembele as my true first choice is a player the club will not spend the type of quid it will take to land him (Lautaro Martinez, who will not come here anyway, especially if we have no CL to offer)

Kante will probably not even be discussed, so that square peg/round hole situ will continue to fester (and we can truly kiss goodbye to even getting even a remotely huge cash-out from him, as he turns 30 in a little over a year from now), and DMF IS A HUGE ISSUE. Our entire defence has been shambolic much of the time due to poor poor defensive play in MF. Kante has been a shadow in his new role when it comes to disruption.

AMF (and a profound lack of creativity overall) will also quite possibly remain an issue, I cannot see us dropping the quid for a Maddison or Havertz type, and see zero links for ages with Zaniolo. Isco turns 29yo towards the final quarter of next season, so he is so not a long term answer (if he ever was) It will be Mount and a dice-roll (due to horrid injury) RLC or die perhaps. Barkley sure will be gone (although I can even see us bollocks up that)

Dog help us all if we miss out on CL next year, as it will set up multiple negative feedbacks loops in terms of FFP revenues, spending and recruitment itself.

It is very unlikely to happen (I so hope) BUT IF many, if not most of our young players simply do not fully blossom we are in for years of trouble in terms of getting back to a top 4 most every year level, let alone challenging for major trophies

I am very unhappy with lack of problem addressing so far and a reliance, an over-reliance of 'hoping for reversals of form' and the settling for garbage like all our LB options

I think most of us (I admit I did) thought the £150m spend figure was for January alone

but as I have started to say, I now am worried it is the entire budget for 2020, period.

OR

it all is a sham, a gaslight job, and Roman and Marina have no real intention (after he dropped in a crazy amount of money and still ended up with an insane net £100m loss) of spending much of anything resembling these huge sums we envision (even though huge sums are (or can be) being brought in from sales and potential sales)

TBH, I have never seen ANY figures officially quoted at all when it comes to budgets

everything 'official' has been, nope, not selling this one or that one, and nope, not buying this one or that one

the whole Ake no-go stance starting on the 1st of the year is what has lead me to rethink, and take a negative stance, combined with my fathers sources from several months back who said we were in contraction time (I think they were sorta tipping their hand about the big upcoming loss), and then the huge official net loss itself when it actually manifested via the club's announcement

I do not like simply going with the old 'It will get better as I believe these players playing like pish will magically improve after years of play showing otherwise' shite

and the lack of sales of dregs and/or petty cock-blocks over and with Conte/Inter (which is on Marina and Roman anyway, they fucked over a truly great manager)

 

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Tbf he does have that face that looks like he will shit his pants any second during a match. 

Anyways he had his chance this season, started two important games against Valencia and Everton and still looked abysmal.

[Vesper 30,185]

4 minutes ago, Bosnian Blue said:

Tbf he does have that face that looks like he will shit his pants any second during a match. 

Anyways he had his chance this season, started two important games against Valencia and Everton and still looked abysmal.

4 months earlier, same thing

 

Sarri says Christensen left the bench early vs Arsenal because he suffers from nerves

https://www.givemesport.com/1446130-sarri-says-christensen-left-the-bench-early-vs-arsenal-because-he-suffers-from-nerves