Kevin de Bruyne

[Essien19 1,415]

7 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Your nothing but a Mourinho apologist you can't see the wood for the trees. Mourinho is yesterdays man which will become apparent to the unfortunate club that he manages next. Things are never black and white but do you think he could have taken a 5000-1 team at the start of the season to nailed on champions a team of free transfers and rejects could he fuck. Could he totally mismanage a team that cost a fortune full of established internationals into a team just above the relegation zone yes he could and did.

Is this enough to insult a man who has done so much for us? Because of what, one abysmal half of a season?!
I'm under the impression that you have been around for a very long time, longer than me, but with all due respect and nothing personal against you
are you actually trying to justify these kind of treatment? Excuse me but that sounds knee-jerk and plastic, ouch....
Most of the Chelsea fans i know would never ever boo or talk this kind of shit about former heroes, i mean things like welcoming chants 'fuck you Mourinho' and so on....unbelievable. Because i don't want to go down that road i'm labeled an apologist? Nice, really nice!

For the record, we were temporarily down at the bottom half of the table, we'll never know where we would have finished at the end of the season...
you said things are never black and white, but you're just talking about one half of a season, because of that, it's enough to not only show him the door
but also insult him as much as possible.

Yes, i already admitted it, he made mistakes, but this doesn't warrant these unbearable things which one has to read on here.

I'm sorry, but i'm not okay with that!
 

[Essien19 1,415]

2 minutes ago, Fernando said:

No doubt he will do good the first and second season. But then he will get in fight with everyone losing the dressing room like at Real and Chelsea. 

 

Maybe he'll never learn, but what's never good for Chelsea is another English club winning trophies, that costs the club big time!
2 years is quite a spell, just look at the rags, back in the summer 15 they were thirsty and would've welcomed any trophy, but no trophy.

Anyway, we're going in circles, need to find another topic, otherwise this won't end well.

Regards!

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

15 minutes ago, Essien19 said:

Is this enough to insult a man who has done so much for us? Because of what, one abysmal half of a season?!
I'm under the impression that you have been around for a very long time, longer than me, but with all due respect and nothing personal against you
are you actually trying to justify these kind of treatment? Excuse me but that sounds knee-jerk and plastic, ouch....
Most of the Chelsea fans i know would never ever boo or talk this kind of shit about former heroes, i mean things like welcoming chants 'fuck you Mourinho' and so on....unbelievable. Because i don't want to go down that road i'm labeled an apologist? Nice, really nice!

For the record, we were temporarily down at the bottom half of the table, we'll never know where we would have finished at the end of the season...
you said things are never black and white, but you're just talking about one half of a season, because of that, it's enough to not only show him the door
but also insult him as much as possible.

Yes, i already admitted it, he made mistakes, but this doesn't warrant these unbearable things which one has to read on here.

I'm sorry, but i'm not okay with that!
 

Talk is cheap mate one of us don't make me laugh just a soundbite. How many times has he slagged off our support and yet say how he was impressed by Liverpool's and wish the Bridge can be like Anfield. If you look at the video posted it's quite clearly the away fans singing Fuck off Mourinho. As for where we would have ended up after losing nine out of sixteen games and losing to  Bouremouth's reserves well god only knows but we certainly wouldn't be better off. As for calling someone plastic I've been a Chelsea fan for 46 years and followed them all over England and Europe what about you ?.

[Essien19 1,415]

36 minutes ago, Iggy Doonican said:

Talk is cheap mate one of us don't make me laugh just a soundbite. How many times has he slagged off our support and yet say how he was impressed by Liverpool's and wish the Bridge can be like Anfield. If you look at the video posted it's quite clearly the away fans singing Fuck off Mourinho. As for where we would have ended up after losing nine out of sixteen games and losing to  Bouremouth's reserves well god only knows but we certainly wouldn't be better off. As for calling someone plastic I've been a Chelsea fan for 46 years and followed them all over England and Europe what about you ?.

I for one don't think it was just a show, he often got a heavy fine for saying some things he shouldn't have, but he stood up for us, yes i know he was on big bucks.
He criticized the atmosphere and he's got a point, too many tourists and less cheering, imo. At the end he said thank you to our support. Fair play, imo.

Yes, this season we lost and lost and lost, especially the game against the new boys Bournemouth was really bad, what can i say, there's nothing to say to make it better, sadly.
I knew that the term 'plastic' would trigger problems and i didn't want that. I wasn't actually talking about you, just fed up with the lack of respect of some on here,
i had the feeling that as i said above you are around for quite some time and far longer than me and i was right. Incredible stuff!

I just wish that there isn't as much rushing as it is. I don't like the sacking but things were really bad, that's all i have to say.
No problems with you and sorry for the word, should have put it better.

Anyway, we should stop talking in this particular thread about Jose because otherwise Special Juan will get very angry, wrong topic.

Regards!

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

Obviously, if now we're 10th with Guus, would be fair to say we'd be somewhere between 10th and 14th with José.
Nothing has changed. Nothing.
Oscar and Ivanovic keep getting minutes, Rlc started getting minutes only recently, when there was nothing more to play for.
Only thing Guus has brought that José didn't is Traoré, and i'm very well glad for it. Other than that, nothing. Players are happier? Of course they are  They got their wish.
And btw i'm not even so sure anymore managers pick up the lineup. Who knows what kind shit and corruption is behind the scenes.

[Fulham Broadway 16,788]

2 hours ago, Essien19 said:

I've seen a lot lately but what the fuck is this doing on a Chelsea board?! Insulting an Ex-Chelsea man who tried, took the blame and paid for all the mistakes with his job.
That's not the way we treat a former boss around here, shameful stuff, actually disgusted by it.
 

 

 

Its appaĺling when you look at our shocking season and theres only been one sacking (well two with Eva), yet non football, well paid decision makers, sit in executive boxes happy that the scapegoat took all the blame. Human nature i suppose - Burn the Witch !!

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

4 hours ago, Essien19 said:

I've seen a lot lately but what the fuck is this doing on a Chelsea board?! Insulting an Ex-Chelsea man who tried, took the blame and paid for all the mistakes with his job.
That's not the way we treat a former boss around here, shameful stuff, actually disgusted by it.

Before I joined this forum I thought I was was one of the most negative Chelsea fans out there but how wrong I was. The naked hatred some people here exhibit toward Chelsea and Chelsea people is behaviour I just don't understand.

[OhForAGreavsie 5,890]

2 hours ago, Blue_Fox_ said:

Obviously, if now we're 10th with Guus, would be fair to say we'd be somewhere between 10th and 14th with José.
Nothing has changed. Nothing.
Oscar and Ivanovic keep getting minutes, Rlc started getting minutes only recently, when there was nothing more to play for.
Only thing Guus has brought that José didn't is Traoré, and i'm very well glad for it. Other than that, nothing. Players are happier? Of course they are  They got their wish.
And btw i'm not even so sure anymore managers pick up the lineup. Who knows what kind shit and corruption is behind the scenes.

I love Guus to bits but the only difference is that the players have been prepared to try for him. Had they been ready to try for Jose we'd be above 10th but they fooled themselves into believing that they are as good as they imagine themselves to be. They decided that they could go out and play however they liked and still win football matches. They have presumably learned now that they are not as good as they imagined. Only Jose could win with this mob and then only if they implemented his plans.

I do think that the manager/coach is picking the team without interference but I suppose it's fair enough to speculate that he may not be. I find it harder to see what you mean by corruption however. Was it just a throw away word that you didn't really mean, or are you being serious?

[lucio 5,418]

4 hours ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I love Guus to bits but the only difference is that the players have been prepared to try for him. Had they been ready to try for Jose we'd be above 10th but they fooled themselves into believing that they are as good as they imagine themselves to be. They decided that they could go out and play however they liked and still win football matches. They have presumably learned now that they are not as good as they imagined. Only Jose could win with this mob and then only if they implemented his plans.

I do think that the manager/coach is picking the team without interference but I suppose it's fair enough to speculate that he may not be. I find it harder to see what you mean by corruption however. Was it just a throw away word that you didn't really mean, or are you being serious?

Surely they don't go into a season and not try from the off. Just stagnant tactics and formation , it had long since stopped working, jose didn't see it.

[lucio 5,418]

8 hours ago, Essien19 said:

I've seen a lot lately but what the fuck is this doing on a Chelsea board?! Insulting an Ex-Chelsea man who tried, took the blame and paid for all the mistakes with his job.
That's not the way we treat a former boss around here, shameful stuff, actually disgusted by it.
 

 

 

Took all the blame ?, that's not what his comments suggested. But I'll apologise for the video

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Don't see any point in blaming Jose now that he has gone. If he is still around then it is quite 'acceptable' imo, so that he could 'hear' us and hopefully he won't make any 'mistake' like that again or for an extreme case, want him to be sacked, etc. It seems Jose will never return again so the case is finished for good.

Don't see any point on digging every our ex-managers 'mistakes', who doesn't anyway? just completely pointless. Now that we will have a new one in Conte, let's focus on the future ahead.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

12 hours ago, Special Juan said:

 

KdB

Club	Season	League1			Cup		League Cup		Continental		Other2		Total		Ref.
		League	Apps	Goals	Apps	Goals	Apps	Goals	Apps	Goals	Apps	Goals	Apps	Goals
Genk	2008–09	Pro League	2	0	0	0	—		—				2		[3][72]
	2009–10		35	3	2	0			2	0	1	0	40	3	[3][72]
	2010–11		32	5	0	0			3	1	0	0	35	6	[3][72]
	2011–12		28	8	1	0			6	0	1	0	36	8	[3][72]
	Totals Genk		97	16	3	0			11	1	2	0	113	17	—
Werder Bremen (loan)	2012–13	Bundesliga	33	10	1	0			—		—		34	10	[73]
Chelsea	2013–14	Premier League	3	0	0	0	3	0	3	0			9		[3]
Wolfsburg	2013–14	Bundesliga	16	3	2	0	—		—				18	3	[74]
	2014–15		34	10	6	1			11	5			51	16	[75]
	2015–16		1	0	1	1			0	0	1	0	3	1	[3]
	Totals Wolfsburg		51	13	9	2			11	5	1	0	72	20	—
Manchester City	2015–16	Premier League	20	6	1	1	5	5	8	3	—		34	15	[3]
Career totals			203	45	14	3	8	5	33	9	3	0	260	63	—

 

Most useless table ever, if you consider that his assists are 10 times more recognizable than his goals.

[MCM4PR3Z 411]

12 hours ago, RoyalBlues said:

 

 

 

That is something to be proved first that it will not ever happened. But, considering the trends reactions in most of our ex players thread when they scored or having a good run, I don't think there will be any different with Oscar if he indeed succeed in another club. Someone will always coming out for it and asking something like, 'why we sell him again?' reaction, never mind how much the time he spent here, because in everybody's mind will only have the thought of 'we messed up again, man'. 

Point that he do the same thing like KDB did, if we sell Oscar to Wolfsburg and he did well, how if the same thing happened, City or MU perhaps buy him and he do 'well' like KDB this season? Viola, we would get exactly the same kind of reaction in Oscar thread on ex-Chelsea section. If not, that is a 'double standard' then.

 You just forget the tiny detail that Oscar is 10 times less talented than KDB. He has played every game in 4 seasons at Chelsea and has proven he's absolute shit. KDB was brilliant overall when he played for us and got almost no chances at all from Mou.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

15 minutes ago, MCM4PR3Z said:

 You just forget the tiny detail that Oscar is 10 times less talented than KDB. He has played every game in 4 seasons at Chelsea and has proven he's absolute shit. KDB was brilliant overall when he played for us and got almost no chances at all from Mou.

If he is shit here, no one could guarantee that he will shit too at another club, who knows unless you are time traveler, than I will trust you. And the point in my post you quoted, is that I think there will be a same reaction for him too, just like at the moment in this thread, if he did the same route like KDB someday. Nobody will care much whether he is shit in certain period with us in the past. Only thought of 'Why we sell him again?' all over it.

To be honest, I don't really care about our ex that much. If we sell Oscar, whether he is shit or become ballon d'or winner, no problem. Just pointed out the reaction for KDB case is unnecessary.

[lucio 5,418]

1 hour ago, RoyalBlues said:

If he is shit here, no one could guarantee that he will shit too at another club, who knows unless you are time traveler, than I will trust you. And the point in my post you quoted, is that I think there will be a same reaction for him too, just like at the moment in this thread, if he did the same route like KDB someday. Nobody will care much whether he is shit in certain period with us in the past. Only thought of 'Why we sell him again?' all over it.

To be honest, I don't really care about our ex that much. If we sell Oscar, whether he is shit or become ballon d'or winner, no problem. Just pointed out the reaction for KDB case is unnecessary.

oscar lacks any attributes, kdb was multi talented, you could see that in his Genk days. even if oscar did well elsewhere, no one would care, just like no one misses torres when he scores last week.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

18 minutes ago, lucio said:

oscar lacks any attributes, kdb was multi talented, you could see that in his Genk days. even if oscar did well elsewhere, no one would care, just like no one misses torres when he scores last week.

Oscar was 'multi talented' too back then in Internacional, if you want a talent comparison. Again, that needs to be proved it first, as many indications say otherwise at the moment. I assume you're not serious to compare it with Torres, no? I don't even have to argue about that.

[lucio 5,418]

3 minutes ago, RoyalBlues said:

Oscar was 'multi talented' too back then in Internacional, if you want a talent comparison. Again, that needs to be proved it first, as many indications say otherwise at the moment. I assume you're not serious to compare it with Torres, no? I don't even have to argue about that.

oscar is 2nd only to torres in terms of fan hatred.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

8 minutes ago, lucio said:

oscar is 2nd only to torres in terms of fan hatred.

Have to agree with that. Cheers.

Oscar is 'still' 24, and he is still have some room for improvement base on his age, that make it really different case with Torres. And also we're having Diego that clearly much better than Torres, that's why nobody crying for him.