🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Frank Lampard

[Term-X 7,891]

I don't want anyone to be 'warned', I just want people to challenge an opposing argument, rather than skip around it with insults.

My stance grew stronger on this subject, when I realised nobody has a good counter. Other than tripe about 'real' fans and being 'professional', like's he's a slave who was forced to sign for the City family and a team that doesn't exist yet.

Frank Lampard is a wolf in John Terry clothing.

[True_Blue 469]

Well, Kudos to you, sir

And thank you for disrupting the forum and derailing the thread so you can "say what you wanted".

Disrupted the forums? Now now you can't tell me no one was abusive towards no one when i was away?

[iseah100 5,612]

Amazing mate,you're quality

[The_Flash 1,144]

I don't want anyone to be 'warned', I just want people to challenge an opposing argument, rather than skip around it with insults.

My stance grew stronger on this subject, when I realised nobody has a good counter. Other than tripe about 'real' fans and being 'professional', like's he's a slave who was forced to sign for the City family and a team that doesn't exist yet.

Frank Lampard is a wolf in John Terry clothing.

Exactly you have been very fair, honest and civilised in your response and I have tried to do that also. We both share hugely different opinions to many people here, it doesn't mean we are wrong. We just feel differently about Franks decisions. That is all.

[Amblève. 4,995]

What does being a "top professional" have anything to do with being Chelsea's GOAT? I'm yet to see any argument in favor of that "top professional" statement I've come across dozens of times since yesterday, yet people talk about him being a top professional all the time.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather Lampard behaved like the biggest unprofessional ever in the game of football if it meant him bleeding blue, but he didn't. He [a] signed a contract that included a loan clause sending him to City, Chelsea's biggest title rivals in the PL, he came on the pitch vs Chelsea, and [c] then he scored vs Chelsea.

So again I ask what's the correlation between being a top professional and Chelsea's GOAT?

Doing a, b, and c is being a professional.

Refusing to sign that contract as long as the clause is part of it, refusing to play and even threatening Pellegrini to score an own goal if he used him vs Chelsea, and sitting down on the pitch after being subbed on vs Chelsea is bleeding blue.

Yes, Lampard is a top professional but we shall forget never that day he betrayed the Chelsea family, 21.09.2014.

[Spike 12,049]

I don't want anyone to be 'warned', I just want people to challenge an opposing argument, rather than skip around it with insults.

My stance grew stronger on this subject, when I realised nobody has a good counter. Other than tripe about 'real' fans and being 'professional', like's he's a slave who was forced to sign for the City family and a team that doesn't exist yet.

Frank Lampard is a wolf in John Terry clothing.

Nobody has likened being a professional to being a slave except you. Yeah, he didn't have to sign the contract but he did. It happens in life and football. It has happened before Lampard and will happen after Lampard. But what we have all seen from him is that he obviously loves football and will put 100% effort on the pitch everytime. That is what people mean when they call him a proffessional, he has a job and he does it. It is quite simple really.

[Fernando 6,585]

I mentioned this in the post match thread and I am going to put it here as well now since this was locked at the time.

I have changed my opinion on the Lamps situation. When it all happened I was upset and angry.

Watching him after his goal, he just got up and walked away. He looked gutted. After the game he barely acknowledged the City fans and went straight to the Chelsea fans. It looked as if he was going to burst into tears. In 3 post match interviews of his I have seen of his, he always referred to City as 'City' or 'this club', he never used the words 'us' or 'we'. I don't think he feels any affiliation with them at all. He is a Chelsea boy at heart and always will be.

And as for people who say he shouldn't have scored? He is a professional footballer! His job is to do the best for Manchester City. That's why they pay his wages! He is not going to gather the ball, turn around and hoof it clear is he!

He may have taken two points off us yesterday but after all the points he won for us over the years, all the championships, cups and memories. I'll forgive him for it

People say there's a difference between a player and a manager.

But I don't see much difference as they both are professional.

When Mourinho came with Inter we didn't hate him, despite him knocking us out of the CL.

So I see no difference here despite the image that Lampard has with the club.

He's a professional and does his job like Mourinho did.

But they both love the club and at one time will come back, like Mourinho did.

I mean if you love the club like Mourinho did he will put his ego aside and say, I will work with you Roman despite what happened in the past.

Same it will be with Lampard. I will work with the club despite what happened in the past.

Lampard is a legend and one day he will come back to the club.

[Cholo 428]

Lampard is a traitor for me. Can't see John Terry joining a direct rival. Lampard didn't only applaud the Chelsea fans but also went to all City-fans and celebrated with them. R.I.P. Lamps. I won't forgive him the move to City.

He is doing his job? Yes. But would Terry, Drogba or even Essien, Cole go to a direct rival? I doubt it. Cole refused an offer from Liverpool because of Chelsea.
I am forgetting Lampard's years at the bridge?

No. We paid him his salary and he did his job and was lucky to be playing in a top team. Don't know why I should be so massively thankful. He is no legend for me anymore. Drogba, Terry, Ballack are players and legends who deserve respect.

[iseah100 5,612]

Top professional means he did his job. Regardless of illness, disgreement with club officials, or any other sort of thing. He did what he had to do for City. Does it hurt? Of course, but one goal doesn't change the 211 he put in for us. What he gave to this club vs Bolton, Pool, Bayern, Barca, Napoli. He bled blue for 12 years, until we thought we didn't need him. Is he supposed to leave his family for over a year (Australia then NYC like some suggest he should have) to please us? Is he supposed to not play? I understand where you guys, Term X and The Flash, are coming from, but I don't think his legacy is harmed. He said a few times he knew the club was affiliated with City but he never thought he'd play for them. It's just the way things played out, they gave him the opportunity and he is a football player so of course he wants to compete. If we do what we have to, we should win the league. If we don't win the league cause of 2 points dropped in September, then we don't deserve to win. We didn't lose the league last year cause of draws at Trafford and Emirates. We didnt win the league cause of poor showings at Villa and Sunderland in April and May. Frank is a legend who captained us to Champions League glory and I for one won't forget that along with everything else he gave us.

We love you, Super Frank.

[Spike 12,049]

People have given up so much for so little. Twelve years for a few minutes in a game. I know it may feel like he is burning the bridges with us; the fans, but that doesn't mean we have to burn the bridge back. He was our hero for twelve long years and nothing can take that away. All the matches he won, the goals scored the moments of shear amazement. He is a human being, they make mistakes. G

How can you say he has no love for the club after playing a Champions League match after his mother passed away? To say that is disrespecting something so precious. If he didn't care about football or the club why did he do it? Why did he go onto the pitch in such an emotional state?

[Milan 17,958]

R.I.P. Lamps? He won't be forgiven?

Well you better deal with it sooner rather than later because he will come back one day.

[BlueLion. 21,491]

I don't want anyone to be 'warned', I just want people to challenge an opposing argument, rather than skip around it with insults.

My stance grew stronger on this subject, when I realised nobody has a good counter. Other than tripe about 'real' fans and being 'professional', like's he's a slave who was forced to sign for the City family and a team that doesn't exist yet.

Frank Lampard is a wolf in John Terry clothing.

Plenty of people have, such as Boshman and myself. We're awaiting your response in the City match thread.

[Term-X 7,891]

"Never thought he'd play for them"?, NYC didn't exist when he signed with the City family, he will have known!, he's not an idiot.

Nobody has likened being a professional to being a slave except you. Yeah, he didn't have to sign the contract but he did. It happens in life and football. It has happened before Lampard and will happen after Lampard. But what we have all seen from him is that he obviously loves football and will put 100% effort on the pitch everytime. That is what people mean when they call him a proffessional, he has a job and he does it. It is quite simple really.

It stopped being 'a job to do' when he became the personification of Chelsea FC and an ambassador, it's a mere job for Salomon Kalou. I'm sorry but when you gain a certain status at a club you can't treat it as 'just a job' anymore. He turned his back on his own words and contradicted himself, in regards to where he would go and what he wouldn't do.

Frank claimed to have an affintiy with the club but his actions spoke louder.

[darrus 422]

How long this kind of hatred, abuse, disappointment gonna last? Until he go back to New York? Until he retired? Until he comeback with us, which I believe he will someday? Until forever?

1. As long as people feel it. What's your problem?

2. As for me, it's not hate. Disappointment - yes, big time. And not because of this goal. But because of two things - first, going to our direct title rival after sayin he's not gonna play against us. Second, more important for me - all this "poor me" routine from yesterday that so many people are prasing him for. It was disrespectful towards us AND disrespectful towards the club he's playing for right now. All those "this club" and "I don't know what was the win for me" in the post-match interview is something I'm not ready to disregard and forget. I thought better of him as a person and as a professional. So, as for me - my own disappointment will last long. Forever? Maybe. May very well be.

He's a legend to my club, but now I'm sitting here crying and trying to hide ot from my family. And not because Lampard joined out tile rival and scored against us, but because attempting to look good in everyone's eyes and "pity me" reaction when something unpleasant happens is what I despise most in people, and after all those years I expected better from Frank.

It's my personal feelings, my personal problems, and maybe I'm alone in my sentiments - but please don't go telling me how I, or any other Chelsea fan for that matter, should feel.

And since we're on "proper fans" subject - I never was at Stamford Bridge. But I was sitting at Luzhniki stadium in 2008 watching Terry miss that penalty and singing with everyone even after everything ended, guess that counts a bit too.

[Term-X 7,891]

After this, I will always now carry with me the adage 'judge an icon when they leave the club', when the money goes.. THAT'S when you find out.

[Fernando 6,585]

To score a goal against the entity that made and call you a "Legend"... Well, that is something that Steven I-assist-against-my-team Gerrard would be proud of.

Not the first time and won't be the last such things happened.

I remember a certain Batitusta scoring against his Fiorentina....

If you now who that legend was.....

[xPetrCechx 13,571]

[iseah100 5,612]

"Never thought he'd play for them"?, NYC didn't exist when he signed with the City family, he will have known!, he's not an idiot.

It stopped being 'a job to do' when he became the personification of Chelsea FC and an ambassador, it's a mere job for Salomon Kalou. I'm sorry but when you gain a certain status at a club you can't treat it as 'just a job' anymore. He turned his back on his own words and contradicted himself, in regards to where he would go and what he wouldn't do.

Frank claimed to have an affintiy with the club but his actions spoke louder.

Frank doesn't owe the club ANYTHING. And vice versa. You don't know what he knew, so you can't say that. Frank didn't sign up to be "an ambassador" and "personification of Chelsea" he wanted trophies and to play football. He loved the fans and we loved him. Now you want to forget all of that? You have your opinion, and I'm sure there are plenty of Chelsea fans who feel the same, I'm just not one of them.

[DavidEU 2,023]

"Never thought he'd play for them"?, NYC didn't exist when he signed with the City family, he will have known!, he's not an idiot.

It stopped being 'a job to do' when he became the personification of Chelsea FC and an ambassador, it's a mere job for Salomon Kalou. I'm sorry but when you gain a certain status at a club you can't treat it as 'just a job' anymore. He turned his back on his own words and contradicted himself, in regards to where he would go and what he wouldn't do.

Frank claimed to have an affintiy with the club but his actions spoke louder.

How did he turn his back on the club? Reports about a month ago say he wasn't even offered a contract by Chelsea. He choose the best option to prolong his career (MLS), which presented the chance of six more months in England, the league hes always played in and, most importantly in the country where his children live. You really begrudge him for that?

Remember Chelsea did a lot for Frank, but Frank did a HELL of a lot for Chelsea too.

Besides, we'll walk the league come May if we get behind the boys.

[iseah100 5,612]

"But he doesn't have an affinity with the club. He doesn't love Chelsea. Those tears are fake."