ChelseasMessiah 304 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I think Lamps should be dropped..He is a legend and all, he gets goals and is a rather good player in the final 3rd, but Jose wants us to play a style which is quick and aggresive, lots of pressure and lots of passing, therefore I think our first 11 should not have Lamps in it, he is getting on now and does not have the legs to keep up with the other players.I love how we played against Arsenal in the Carling Cup, one reason for that was because of Mikel and Essien in midfield, I prefer Ramires over them two but it showed how without Lamps we are better, because our team can provide more pressure, and more running around the pitch, more support for the team mates.I think Mourinho knows that now as well. Let's hope he has some balls now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The vast majority of the hundreds of Chelsea fans I know and can read their opinions believe that Frank has been generally bad this season. If you want to go into classifying who is "worthy" and who is not, then I'm not going to join you, sorry. The vast majority of the Chelsea supporters I talk to, go to matches with, drink with and just randomly bump into (here's a tip in case you ever bump into a Chelsea supporter in England - just mention Mikel's name....it always makes me giggle how the response is largely the same) think that our midfield needs fixing. It's been the case for a while now. The ones at youth games pin their hopes on Chalobah and Loftus-Cheek. The ones at games mention everyone from Witsel to De Bruyne to De Rossi to Cabaye to Alonso. If we had any of those in our ranks then you wouldn't get a disagreement from me about putting one of them in the team, but people need to be realistic.They also could be a bit more inquisitive about why players suddenly have bad games.I think Lamps should be dropped..He is a legend and all, he gets goals and is a rather good player in the final 3rd, but Jose wants us to play a style which is quick and aggresive, lots of pressure and lots of passing, therefore I think our first 11 should not have Lamps in it, he is getting on now and does not have the legs to keep up with the other players.I love how we played against Arsenal in the Carling Cup, one reason for that was because of Mikel and Essien in midfield, I prefer Ramires over them two but it showed how without Lamps we are better, because our team can provide more pressure, and more running around the pitch, more support for the team mates.Could the performance against Arsenal have had something to do with us playing against Arsenal?The fact that you're talking about quick, aggressive and players having legs and then chuck Mikel's name into the mix is a bit weird. Maybe he deserves a game against West Brom, maybe Essien does.I think Mourinho knows that now as well. Let's hope he has some balls now.You're questioning Mourinho's balls now?The reactions are getting a little silly now. You're not the messiah.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 The vast majority of the Chelsea supporters I talk to, go to matches with, drink with and just randomly bump into (here's a tip in case you ever bump into a Chelsea supporter in England - just mention Mikel's name....it always makes me giggle how the response is largely the same) think that our midfield needs fixing. It's been the case for a while now. The ones at youth games pin their hopes on Chalobah and Loftus-Cheek. The ones at games mention everyone from Witsel to De Bruyne to De Rossi to Cabaye to Alonso. If we had any of those in our ranks then you wouldn't get a disagreement from me about putting one of them in the team, but people need to be realistic.They also could be a bit more inquisitive about why players suddenly have bad games.Are you saying that those are "better" fans than the fine members on here or even the fans on Twitter? Shame on you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Are you saying that those are "better" fans than the fine members on here or even the fans on Twitter? Shame on you! Well a lot of them have bought me drinks, so I'm biased. kellzfresh and Barbara 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_91 90 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Would anybody be defending lampards performances this season if he were a new signing? I don't even think he'd be on the bench if he were being judged on his performances this season. As much as I like mourinho, I think he's being influenced by his personal relationship with lampard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 You can't judge him as he is a new signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_91 90 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I think people should be judged on how they're currently performing. Not how they performed over the past 10 years Barbara 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 It has to factor in slightly knowing frank he has it in him to be amazing, a few games don't change what a great player he is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only place to be 11,313 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I think people should be judged on how they're currently performing. Not how they performed over the past 10 yearsPeople seem to be judging Lamps based on how he played in the last game, rather than the last 7. From the Spurs game on he's been solid if unspectacular and it's not like we have a Gundogan or Witsel on the bench. Phil Driver, kellzfresh, Tomo and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan_91 90 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe not but even mikel would be a better option than lampard at the moment. Lampard clearly isn't suited to play in the pivot. If mourinho had watched us much over the last couple of years he would have bought a new DM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Rami-MikelI agree with you, Mikel is excellent with his national team when he can play in a more free role and is really creative. Next to Rambo (as DM) mikel could be the DLP we need. He's got all the tools and we saw it at the CAN or Confed cup.He isn't a true DM, just a converted one, let him the one that gives the tempo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Driver 503 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Oh no not the fanboys again ,Mikel needs to leave Chelsea he is a . And is out of the picture Jose has already said our problem v Newcastle was we were to slow with no penetration and too many sideways balls ,I doubt his remedy will involve picking the slowest player in Europe and the king of the sideways / backwards pass,will he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Driver 503 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 People seem to be judging Lamps based on how he played in the last game, rather than the last 7. From the Spurs game on he's been solid if unspectacular and it's not like we have a Gundogan or Witsel on the bench. The big problem we had in the first half v Spurs has been eradicated lets not go back ,nothing wrong with our pivot in the games we won since then and at Newcastle our problem was the front 4 and Luiz ,the pivot did really well in their jobs ,we could have done with a Lampard shot from a more advanced role though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediator 2,026 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Oh no not the fanboys again Ah no not the haters again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Driver 503 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Trust Jose and me on this folks . Since Spurs 1st half we have been very good ,our lightweight 3 AMs and Luiz were our problem at Newcastle ,winter football is different in England and we need to adjust ,I am sure Jose has already worked out what was wrong and it was not Lampard . The_Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Flash 1,144 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Trust Jose and me on this folks . Since Spurs 1st half we have been very good ,our lightweight 3 AMs and Luiz were our problem at Newcastle ,winter football is different in England and we need to adjust ,I am sure Jose has already worked out what was wrong and it was not Lampard .Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsblubot 3,595 Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Trust Jose and me on this folks . Since Spurs 1st half we have been very good ,our lightweight 3 AMs and Luiz were our problem at Newcastle ,winter football is different in England and we need to adjust ,I am sure Jose has already worked out what was wrong and it was not Lampard .yes the same Lampard who was taken off with over 30min left to play; because he was not the problem... Opinions are like a*... I know, but we need some consistency here. You can't possibly ask people to trust the manager and at the same time say Lampard was not the problem, when he was taken off by that same manager - I assume for a reason since we were losing and he is a midfielder who can score goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Mak 4,459 Posted November 3, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted November 3, 2013 The thing that worries me most is why we look so dependent on a 35yr old who plays out of position.I was all for Lampard staying, but I thought the natural progression was for him to have a reduced role; being played based on the level of opposition etc. It seems like José wants him as a nailed on starter for almost every game and it's worrying to be honest. Especially when Mikel is there - who is defensively better and allows Ramires to get forward.I just hope that there was a failed plan or future plan behind all this. Like if we couldn't sign a CM in the summer (an experience one) or we're waiting for Chalobah next season or if Lampard was supposed to share his time with MvG - something, because it just doesn't feel right relying this much on a 35yr old. Stats, robsblubot, CHOULO19 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 4, 2013 Popular Post! Share Posted November 4, 2013 Personally I think Lampard should not play when Mata is at no. 10 simply because the gap in the middle of our team is too apparent when they both start in the middle. I always say we have to play Mikel to allow Mata to orchestrate the attack better, he brings more balance to our side. It's the opposite with Oscar obviously, who'll make up for the lack of balance Lampard creates in the pivot - they both compliment each other pretty well as Oscar does like to come deep and Lampard does like to join the attack still - however; I must say that Frank has tried to discipline himself.Frank obviously doesn't go as forward as much as he did back in the day - and that's why he's more invisible in games, especially this season as Mourinho wants to make him a deep lying playmaker more - it's a tough thing to ask of a 35 year old - to remodel his whole game. It's why I think Jose is sticking with him there as he does have more experience (especially defensively) over someone like a KDB who could potentially play there if he works hard on his defensive game. He hasn't been great of late but SFL will still play a lot of games this season unless we do get a proper metronome in our pivot in January. The only place to be, Barbara, kellzfresh and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 If ramsey can play in the pivot, Im sure oscar can as well....Even though i would prefer oscar as our 10, at this stage, I want Lampard dropped more than mata... Ramsey was never a number 10. He's played CM all of his life, so playing in the pivot (Arsenal's pivot also functions a lot more different than ours) isn't foreign to him. IMO the attacking midfielder with the most potential to play well in the pivot is KDB. mediator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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