iseah100 5,612 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 So what about Villa? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 And I know that essentially it doesn't make a difference, loan or not - he still kicks the ball for Manchester City either way. It's just the way our would-have-been all-time great has handled this, how it has destroyed the fans. I (don't) hope he finds as many fans at the Etihad, because if all of this gets exposed, he won't have many here.PS I'm saying all of this in assumption that BBC and New York Times are correct.Addendum: The "break clause" was an insurance for City in case he sucks so they can deport him to MLS to at least earn them some cash. Maybe that's why Lamps has looked so invigorated - he's playing for something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I found it by going to fifa.com and searching Lampard.That is NOT anything official from FIFA itself, it is simply recycling the articles on the Man City and NYFC websites which by the way have both forsaken the any notion of loan. In fact, the Man City website clearly states that he has "extended his contract". MichaelDance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 That is NOT anything official from FIFA itself, it is simply recycling the articles on the Man City and NYFC websites which by the way have both forsaken the any notion of loan. In fact, the Man City website clearly states that he has "extended his contract". When you're on loan with a club you will still sign a loan contract with them.It's difficult to know exactly what has gone on and I doubt we ever will. There's no need for any club to publicly release any information and the conspiracies will continue unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 When you're on loan with a club you will still sign a loan contract with them.It's difficult to know exactly what has gone on and I doubt we ever will. There's no need for any club to publicly release any information and the conspiracies will continue unfortunately.Yes, but both club websites have clearly shifted from explicitly saying "loan contract" to saying just "contract" or "stay with City". And again, I'd find it very weird if BBC's David Ornstein, or the NewYork Times, are blatantly lying about having confirmed information that Frank was never an MLS player. MichaelDance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjk6sa MichaelDance and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAGreavsie 6,075 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I acknowledge that City, who initially used the term loan to describe the move, have stopped doing so and that it is reasonable for Choulo and others to read that as confirmation of their point of view.On the question of Lamps status with Chelsea fans I'm not personally too bothered but I'm desperate that he should not be booed on 31st January. He is a legend of our club and if he should be booed it would send an appalling message about Chelsea fans. If people don't want to cheer him then fine but please no booing.Personally I never believed Frank was as good a player as his reputation suggests and I never loved him the way most CFC fans do, or did anyway. I think that makes it easier for me not to be too angry with him now. When Scholes retired from international football the United man cited certain England players playing selfishly for themselves as one of his reasons for quiting. I always thought Frank was one of the people Scholes meant. I have no evidence to support that opinion but selfishness was often a complaint I made against Frank myself. Hostedenis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted January 6, 2015 I acknowledge that City, who initially used the term loan to describe the move, have stopped doing so and that it is reasonable for Choulo and others to read that as confirmation of their point of view.On the question of Lamps status with Chelsea fans I'm not personally too bothered but I'm desperate that he should not be booed on 31st January. He is a legend of our club and if he should be booed it would send an appalling message about Chelsea fans. If people don't want to cheer him then fine but please no booing.Personally I never believed Frank was as good a player as his reputation suggests and I never loved him the way most CFC fans do, or did anyway. I think that makes it easier for me not to be too angry with him now. When Scholes retired from international football the United man cited certain England players playing selfishly for themselves as one of his reasons for quiting. I always thought Frank was one of the people Scholes meant. I have no evidence to support that opinion but selfishness was often a complaint I made against Frank myself.I'll hopefully be at that City game. I definitely won't boo him, but I doubt highly I'll be joining in with the Super Frank chants because frankly, I wasn't even that bothered about the loan initially but the fact that he tried to be cute with it and tried to dress it up as a loan from the MLS, when now reputable sources are claiming he actually just signed for City straight and that the NYCFC presentation was pretty much a facade... I'll just stay silent. This guy was the biggest CFC hero by far, but IMO he's traded that away for some more time at the top. Worth it? I don't think so. seanptmiller, Peace., MichaelDance and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjk6sa So he deliberately signed for city.... all the new york deal was just a show?... great. MichaelDance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xPetrCechx 13,571 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 So lamps just asked NY to Sign for them (verbal agreement), so chelsea fans will be ok with him, and just sign for city as a free agent for the whole season?...and if something will go wrong he will use the clause to get out and still be ok with chelsea fans. MichaelDance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 In all honesty loan deal or not who gives a fuck I've said it from day one he had the chance to go to Man City and he did. Our club's top scorer, a Chelsea legend, honestly why would you do that? Will Gerrard do it to Liverpool? No. Did Giggs and Scholes do it at United? No. Loyalty is a two way street. He wasn't a one club man obviously but still he tainted his legacy with that move in my eyes.When City come to the Bridge, if fans want to boo him they have every right to in my opinion after him going to City on loan or even on some disguised permanent deal. If he isn't even on loan it is a very cowardly move on his behalf to 'pretend' to be on loan from one club to one of your former clubs direct competitors, to try and preserve a relationship with a fanbase or whatever. Absolutely pathetic and if people want to boo him for that then they should go ahead because its ridiculous but I'm sure some people on this forum will be annoyed for me even saying that and I'll be told to go and support some other team or something but it was Lampard who said yes to go to City, despite having been a Chelsea player for how ever many years and in reality had achieved ultimately everything here. Should have taken a leaf out of Ashley Cole's book, who did it the right way in my eyes. Amblève., MichaelDance and darrus 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthKorea 38 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I think the problem is that fans think that players think the same way as them.... Mission 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted January 6, 2015 I think the problem is that fans think that players think the same way as them....I certainly don't think that, but Lampard knows he's carrying Chelsea's identity with him and that he's an absolute legend here. It's disrespectful to the club. Lampard is basically saying that he doesn't care about being one of the greatest players here and that his legacy here is minute to him. manpe, The Mak, Beigl and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthKorea 38 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I certainly don't think that, but Lampard knows he's carrying Chelsea's identity with him and that he's an absolute legend here. It's disrespectful to the club. Lampard is basically saying that he doesn't care about being one of the greatest players here and that his legacy here is minute to him.However, it wasnt lampard that gave himself that title... It was the fans..Alot of players did the same across the years...Ronaldo played for both milan teams, barca and real, a few brazilian teams as well.Zlatan played for both milan teams and was willing to go to real madrid after barca.Figo played for both real and barca.Luis enrique played for both real and barca.Landrup played for both real and barca.Arsenal and everyone they lost...And many more examples... IMO, players dont care about stuff like that like fans do. They have a wife and kids, their own life to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 However, it wasnt lampard that gave himself that title... It was the fans..Alot of players did the same across the years...Ronaldo played for both milan teams, barca and real, a few brazilian teams as well.Zlatan played for both milan teams and was willing to go to real madrid after barca.Figo played for both real and barca.Luis enrique played for both real and barca.Landrup played for both real and barca.Arsenal and everyone they lost...And many more examples... IMO, players dont care about stuff like that like fans do. They have a wife and kids, their own life to worry about. It's sad though. Lampard could've been known as the spearhead of the most successful CFC team ever (so far), and would've been spoken about for decades upon decades here as the man. He still will be spoken about but not in the same vigour. Guess players like Lampard really do not care about that. xPetrCechx, manpe and SouthKorea 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Term-X 7,891 Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted January 6, 2015 it wasnt lampard that gave himself that title... It was the fans..Lampard revelled in it and embraced it, he actively encouraged the status, whether it was kissing the badge or professing his love for the club. Being a stalwart at Chelsea was a status that endeared Frank to the media, and translated itself into more commerical opportunities for himself. If you were from the UK, you'd understand that a bit more, in regards to how he played the 'clean' 'professional' 'loyal' image to his advantage. OneMoSalah, BlueLion., Viper22 and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthKorea 38 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Lampard revelled in it and embraced it, he actively encouraged the status, whether it was kissing the badge or professing his love for the club. Being a stalwart at Chelsea was a status that endeared Frank to the media, and translated itself into more commerical opportunities for himself. If you were from the UK, you'd understand that a bit more, in regards to how he played the 'clean' 'professional' 'loyal' image to his advantage.its a business, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! Term-X 7,891 Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted January 6, 2015 Fully expecting there to be some pro-Lampard chants at the Bridge later in the month when we play them, it will just go to show how successful he's been at manipulating the fans.Smart man, I bet he has a good laugh at TOPTB and co cheering his name when he gets back to his mansion with Bleakley.its a business, man. Try telling that to Francesco Totti, Gerrard.. or even Drogba, you can actually be successful in business and have morals too. The Mak, OneMoSalah, Rambo and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post! The Skipper 20,609 Posted January 6, 2015 Popular Post! Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's moments like this, the Villa game where he became top scorer, Bolton etc... which make it all even worse tbh. These sort of moments created an emotional bond between the fans, the club and Lampard, but Frank doesn't seem to hold it as dear to his heart as we do. Whether you accept his move to City as an okay thing to do, no one can deny that his legacy has been damaged IMO. You can't sit there and tell me you don't mind it when Lampard is winning our title rivals points. seanptmiller, manpe, MichaelDance and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthKorea 38 Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Fully expecting there to be some pro-Lampard chants at the Bridge later in the month when we play them, it will just go to show how successful he's been at manipulating the fans.Smart man, I bet he has a good laugh at TOPTB and co cheering his name when he gets back to his mansion with Bleakley.Try telling that to Francesco Totti, Gerrard.. or even Drogba, you can actually be successful in business and have morals too.totti threatened to leave roma last season or the season prior I remember.Gerrard was going to go to chelsea...Drogba came into chelsea as a guy in his mid 20s and left near the age people retired....Difference between, gerrard and totti is that both are from their respective clubs, lampard like drogba is not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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