TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Posted accidentally pushed submit :S Will edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teignman 441 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 In the not so distant past our strategy has been geared to the strengths of our personnel, i.e. power and pace. Now we have the virtually the same nucleus of players, but we are trying to utilize them in a system where technical ability is essential. A lot of square pegs and round holes on the pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrique 9,133 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The big problem with AVB is that he doesnt realize that we dont have Barcelona players, he is trying to do stupid things with this squad, thats why our defence system is a mess.What is he trying to do with a midfielder with Ramires - Mikel - Lampard ? Beautiful and offensive football? When our two main striker both have only 3 goals together in all games in PL ? when we dont have winger ? what is he thinking ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bababoom 4,478 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The big problem with AVB is that he doesnt realize that we dont have Barcelona players, he is trying to do stupid things with this squad, thats why our defence system is a mess.What is he trying to do with a midfielder with Ramires - Mikel - Lampard ? Beautiful and offensive football? When our two main striker both have only 3 goals together in all games in PL ? when we dont have winger ? what is he thinking ?I actually agree with you, nice post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'm kind of beginning to understand what Terminator X said right after the transfer window had ended, that "Meireles is a stand in signing because we didn't get Modric" .... no disrespect to Meireles because he's been really good for Chelsea when he's played, but the real villain is Daniel Levy! Had Modric have signed for us back then, our midfield would have an "engine", which Sh0n3x so rightly put it in his post! Even with Mata in the attack, there is still no creativity in our midfield. You have to understand, that even though Mata plays as though he can sift a ball into the penalty box, he is still a winger. Lampard is definitely not the same midfielder player he was 5 years ago, and Michael Essien keeps getting the recurring injuries, making him religiously injury prone, and that's not what we want in our side... and at some point or another, we are going to have to replace them!We NEED someone creative, and after watching the first 12 league games of the season, there's hardly anyone in our side that does even that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I'm kind of beginning to understand what Terminator X said right after the transfer window had ended, that "Meireles is a stand in signing because we didn't get Modric" .... no disrespect to Meireles because he's been really good for Chelsea when he's played, but the real villain is Daniel Levy! Had Modric have signed for us back then, our midfield would have an "engine", which Sh0n3x so rightly put it in his post! Even with Mata in the attack, there is still no creativity in our midfield. You have to understand, that even though Mata plays as though he can sift a ball into the penalty box, he is still a winger. Lampard is definitely not the same midfielder player he was 5 years ago, and Michael Essien keeps getting the recurring injuries, making him religiously injury prone, and that's not what we want in our side... and at some point or another, we are going to have to replace them!We NEED someone creative, and after watching the first 12 league games of the season, there's hardly anyone in our side that does even that!!Meireles IS a stand in, the obvious sign being that he's mostly on the bench in big games.. or is one of the first to get substituted when he starts. With Modric you know he would've been a definite big-game starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Meireles IS a stand in, the obvious sign being that he's mostly on the bench in big games.. or is one of the first to get substituted when he starts. With Modric you know he would've been a definite big-game starter.exactly my point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 exactly my point!yeah i know i was just agreeing with your opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubber bullets 1,183 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I kept banging on about this during the last days of Carlo's time. If a squad that retains an overwhelming percentage of Mourinho's signings wins the title only once in the next 5 years, who are the real underachievers? Those players or the multiple managers employed in the meantime?But again, this sentiment will be ignored and more and more people will question AvB, the manager is always the scapegoat.Spot on. But having said that AVB has to take some of the blame. Bad vibes were coming out as soon as he was saying that he would not heavily revamp the squad, when it was obvious there was a lot of deadwood. His insistance on keeping players that are past their best and still under the influence of Jose (Lampard, Drogba, Cole, Terry, Malouda) is really starting to show. I will be quite angry if we start buying 3-4 more new players in Jan becuase we should have bought them in the summer.To the people who keep saying this is a transitional period. Yes I agree with you but how is keeping over the hill players that are only being kept beucase of old sentiments and a worryingg amount of player power becuase of Jose untouchable's policy/ When Manchester United go through a transitional period they actually sell the old and get the new immeaditly and not playing soo poorly they could actually drop out of the top four. We should having been doing this for a few years. But our insistence of keeping the same players for as long as possible (for example with some people wanting Drogba, Lamprd, Terry to all retire here) is really showing. This is may not be a transitional period, bt could be a complete collapse in our team structure and potential future prospects. We could be in a situation where we can't be competative anymore (or atleast getting poor results for 5-10 years) becuase we still have Jose's players clogging up the pipes - unless you go for a dramatic rehaul and spend lots of money to build a completly new squad, then you start the transitional period.We are not in a transitional period, we are in a period of trying to cling on to past glories. A transitional period would be selling the older players, buying new ones (and promoting some from the youth academy) and giving them time to gel. When I see that 7 players who started today's match played under Jose and that five of them are over 30, we are not in a fucking transitional period. We in the middle of a thick swamp and we can't find a way out. AVB should have been more drastic at the start of the season and told some of the older ones to fuck off. But no, he kept going on about "evolution" and and not "revolution" - big mistake. We should have been evolving since 2008, but we have not and its caught up with us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismada9 1,948 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 yeah i know i was just agreeing with your opinionalright, fair enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cousin benson 76 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 we never replaced ROBBEN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
termninja 5,290 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 we never replaced ROBBEN! We did. With Kalou and Anelka later XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cousin benson 76 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Oh yeah that waste of space, Kalou! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 The best manager is one who can bring the best out of his players, not one who implements a system that requires whole new players. It's still early, but clearly, AVB hasn't brought out the best in his players yet. Instead, he's brought his fancy Barcelona romance thing to Chelsea, which is the total opposite of what we had been doing for so long, and now, our defense, which used to be one of the best in the world, is in shamble, and we're doing well only in keeping possession but not with doing anything useful with it. (YAY now we're like Arsenal!)I can see how efficient it can be if it works out well, but with lack of discipline and teamwork at the back it's never going to happen. Those aspects of the team he completely ignored and it showed today. Half the time, Ivanovic and Luiz didn't even know where each other was, and Terry, Luiz, Mikel, and Cole tried to do some fancy turns to try get out of trouble instead of using their sense and clearing the ball away. I hate to say this, but I completely agree with what Neville had to say about our defense. (Not that it helps to listen to that asswipe when we're losing. Anyway, who the hell gets Neville to commentate a match between Chelsea and Liverpool?) Anyway, I'm not quite sure whether AVB does or does not have the right players for his philosophy, but either way they are not ready for it. He probably took a wrong approach of hurriedly implementing his style of football before he solved the problems we had since last season, and it's going to be very difficult for him to turn things around now in the middle of the season. In other words, I don't want to sound pessimistic, but we may be screwed... for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incometax 116 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 Obviously no one is a fan of avb's work this season, but sacking him is just unrealistic at this time, and judgment on him should be after at least 1 season and a bit. The thing that worries me is how will we be able to sign a top talent like cavani as someone mentioned earlier in this thread when were playing in Europa league? I have come to terms with not making cl this season, but Christ we are so desperate for signings in certain positions it will be hard to attract quality. Avb and gourlay have considerable work ahead of them this summer, we will have to look at new targets that are willing to join a team not in cl. Possibly targets like de bryne and someone like gaston rameriez wouldnt mind a season w/o cl maybe. I just hope we don't suffer for lack of organization in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Mole Rat 437 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 By the way, I feel kind of sorry for Mikel. That was a pretty big mistake and all, but it was Cech who unnecessarily put him under pressure, and that always happens. It's not just Cech, but with Mikel being a formidable ball-keeper, his teammates tend to rely little too much on him and put him in situations like that. He usually does well to spin away from opposition players, but it was always going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Armour 4,467 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I keep saying this a lot but, winning the Carling Cup is an excellent target for the team at this moment. And no I'm not being sarcastic or pessimistic. I think the lads should keep their heads low, concentrate on winning all the upcoming EPL fixtures till Jan (and at least drawing the ones with City and Newcastle), getting through the CL group stages, and do their absolute best in the Carling Cup.Winning this Cup would send a strong message to the other teams, as we would have had to get past virtually the best of the top 4 to do so! More importantly it gives us the label of being the first team to win any real silverware this season, and also reminds the players that they are still in the hunt for trophies. This will give us the drive needed just like in the end of 2009-2010, and of the 2008-2009 season...Say all you want about it being a transition period, but its better to finish a season brightly even if it doesn't necessarily mean finishing as English or Euro champions. It will also set the tone for the next season.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted November 20, 2011 Author Share Posted November 20, 2011 I want to say thank you to everyone, great debate going here and good points about it. I thought i would be into arguements but many have surprised me. It's obvious what we need is drive in the midfield, and we have to accept players like Lampard will not make our midfield world class. The only way Lampard could play in our midfield and for it to be world class in my opinion, he would be playing as he used to, centre attacking basically, roaming behind the defenders making his sneaky runs, and there would have to be a very good DM, with a lot of drive and an engine in midfield, also Ramires would have to be putting in top games like he does now and again, but be more consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZanSnake 1,211 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I would happily seeing us win the CC and the FA Cup this season.It is easy to see that we are relying on a backbone which is used to a different style of play and a system that AVB doesn't want to use. And i expect more faces to come in January, giving, what thers might call 'dead-wood' time to find there next step while also giving there replacements an oppertunity to get fixed into the new style. It is bad this realisation of going through an transitional peroid has come a little latter then what the fans have wanted to see, but we have a least taking the starting steps - time for the next to come in January.Time to through away the sentimentals and look more critique to each member and the role which they have, and the effect that could be amounted if they can't establish themselves into the new system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Blue 469 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 I saw some IDIOTS making comments that Chelsea aint a Big Club anymore.Well......FUCK OFF TO MANCHESTER CITYI saw some IDIOTS making comments that Chelsea aint a Big Club anymore.Well......FUCK OFF TO MANCHESTER CITYOhhh please let the Glory Hunters read this,and fuck off as soon as possible.I am shocked by the amount of people that are surprised by this.this had to happen every team gets in a bad season and i guess this one will be ours.I hate to say it but i told you so,King Carlo was not supposed to leave even though i like AVB a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.