BlueLion. 21,491 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We'll probably see him play in the final two group games, away at Leverkusen and at home to Valencia, which will be greater learning curves for the young man than playing Genk will be. I trust AVB's judgement on the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 This was always going to happen and Josh should have gone out on loan, AVB could see that we were not overstocked in midfield and decided he could keep him around to help but he was never going to get the games people thought so early on in the season. Josh NEEDS games this age is crucial for young players, i have said too many times now. Anyone who saw Josh play in the reserves on Monday would be able to see what the lack of playing can do to him or any player. If he is not playing regular and improving himself when he does get the oppertunities to play first team he will struggle, see Gael Kakuta for an example of that, Kakuta's playing time at any level over the last couple of years has been shockingly low.I can understand why Josh is not getting played much but i do feel he should have been let go out on loan, the current scenario is not helping him whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Shocking not to play Josh against that pathetic Genk team, if ever there's a game for him, it's that on. Shameful decision imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose M 140 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Josh will get his chance theres no use rushing him into any action he's 18 for fuck sakes. Once he does get his chance i am certain he will become a regular starter in the first team because he's Brilliant and out best talent for a long long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didierforever 7,349 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 i dont think avb is to blame here. he has got lampard-rambo-raul-flo-josh fightin for 2 spots (given that the 3rd is taken by mikel or romeu as i defintely dont want to see josh play as a cdm). rambo is playin awesome and has been our player (or atleast my) player of the season so far. So its difficult to give josh time atleast in pl.i feel the best would be to send him for a loan spell in winter (if we can fill those 8 home grown player spots) as essien anyways will come.also i dont think that josh should have been an automatic selection for the genk game. it was an important game and a draw would have made a tricky and unnecessary situation. maybe he should have been on the bench as havin kalou-mata-sturridge dint make sense as in no way would all 3 of them bein used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Why put him in the UCL squad ahead of other players if he's not even gonna play against Genk at home, a virtual automatic win? He aint played for ages, there's no rational explanation for him not being in that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Josh will get his chance theres no use rushing him into any action he's 18 for fuck sakes. Once he does get his chance i am certain he will become a regular starter in the first team because he's Brilliant and out best talent for a long long time.It's not just that he is not playing for the first team, it is that he is not playing at any level. 1 Start for the first team with 1 sub appearance plus 2 starts out of 6 games for the reserves. Just not enough minutes on the pitch at any level for a developing player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHOULO19 24,332 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Why put him in the UCL squad ahead of other players if he's not even gonna play against Genk at home, a virtual automatic win? He aint played for ages, there's no rational explanation for him not being in that team.Actually, he had played for 90mins with the reserve team on monday, I didn't expect to see him start against genk. But you're right he needs more playing time and he should've been loaned out for the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 He needs to break through and if it means missing some reserve games then so be it. Playing in the first team against Genk is better for his development than being with the youth so he shouldn't of played the youth game. He's in the squad for the UCL so that should be the priority and he should play. Big opportunity wasted in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 As Tomo-91 alluded to earlier, it seems the earlier a player starts regulary the more injury prone they become. Alexandre Pato is a perfect example of this, he is 21(?) and has well over 100 appearances for AC Milan but can't go 10 days without and injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueDutchy 63 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 That is if you play at the top level, but you could sent him on loan to Vitesse or another Dutch club. A lot of young players play in de Eredivisie and they don't become prone to injury. It's very important for McEachran to play at this age and if he can't do that at Chelsea then he should do that somewhere else. In Engeland or other top leagues young players are getting injured, but in a league like the Dutch one they're not.You cane say that he is still young and his time will come, but if he doens't play regularly now, we have the same player at the age of 21 and is he still not good enough for the starting XI of Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 It's not just that he is not playing for the first team, it is that he is not playing at any level. 1 Start for the first team with 1 sub appearance plus 2 starts out of 6 games for the reserves. Just not enough minutes on the pitch at any level for a developing player. Agreed, this is what people need to understand, Kakuta is a great example, and bow Josh, it's scary the fact we are still lacking in midfield and he's lucky enough to get on the bench, it really is frightening I think. I hope he gets a loan in January, otherwise weve lost a great young talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDN Blue 7,903 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Why put him in the UCL squad ahead of other players if he's not even gonna play against Genk at home, a virtual automatic win? He aint played for ages, there's no rational explanation for him not being in that team.Exactly.When Bertrand was left out, we all raised eyebrows. We thought, "Ok, it's fine. Josh will get time.". Which hasn't happened.Infact, I'm sure AVB regrets that Bertrand decision, because when Cole was taken off, he only had Paulo to bring on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I don't see how anyone can defend the derisory minutes Josh has gotten so far, especially seeing as the manager specifically assured the player that he didn't need to go out on loan and would get sufficient time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Exactly.When Bertrand was left out, we all raised eyebrows. We thought, "Ok, it's fine. Josh will get time.". Which hasn't happened.Infact, I'm sure AVB regrets that Bertrand decision, because when Cole was taken off, he only had Paulo to bring on.The lack of games for Bertrand is even worse i think, Bertrand has buckets of experience. He should be playing games against Genk, Swansea, QPR ect... and let Ash take a rest in those games.It is tough for a manager settling into a club, working on new ideas and getting results under the belt to play youngsters, if they are not getting games here they should be out on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 This was always going to happen and Josh should have gone out on loan, AVB could see that we were not overstocked in midfield and decided he could keep him around to help but he was never going to get the games people thought so early on in the season. Josh NEEDS games this age is crucial for young players, i have said too many times now. Anyone who saw Josh play in the reserves on Monday would be able to see what the lack of playing can do to him or any player. If he is not playing regular and improving himself when he does get the oppertunities to play first team he will struggle, see Gael Kakuta for an example of that, Kakuta's playing time at any level over the last couple of years has been shockingly low.I can understand why Josh is not getting played much but i do feel he should have been let go out on loan, the current scenario is not helping him whatsoever.Exactly not only are they rusty but they are also disheartened because they are not playing competitive games. I think he would give us more guile and creativity then Lampard right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badboy 1,526 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 As Tomo-91 alluded to earlier, it seems the earlier a player starts regulary the more injury prone they become. Alexandre Pato is a perfect example of this, he is 21(?) and has well over 100 appearances for AC Milan but can't go 10 days without and injury.We are not asking for him to start every game all the time, we just want him to play a few games. He has only had about 3 starts this season in both the reserves and the first team. He is a player with immense technically quality, he should be playing games for us. He started last season away at Marseille and he was tremendous, my question is why did he start in the reserves and not against Genk were Lampard could of done with a rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EskWeston 696 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 We are not asking for him to start every game all the time, we just want him to play a few games. He has only had about 3 starts this season in both the reserves and the first team. He is a player with immense technically quality, he should be playing games for us. He started last season away at Marseille and he was tremendous, my question is why did he start in the reserves and not against Genk were Lampard could of done with a rest.Probably because he was looking pretty rusty, if he had played in the CL as he did for the Reserves it would have done him no favours at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin_3d 1,140 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Villas-Boas admits McEachran could leave Chelsea on loanhttp://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/1213/00/villas-boas-admits-mceachran-could-leave-chelsea-loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanicus 5,208 Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Villas-Boas said: "He's not had much action compared to last year. It's difficult. As we spoke about, playing time has been spread about evenly but a couple of players still fall short on that front."He has fallen short compared to last year, and there are more numbers in midfield. We didn't have as many competing in midfield last year, so Josh had more chances to be in the team."He has the talent to play, but it's a question of choice. I've just been choosing others. But that doesn't mean Josh's future wouldn't be at Chelsea. It will be. He could benefit like Daniel (Sturridge) did by going on loan, but we have to see. I think he can perform at that level."Source: http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/1213/00/villas-boas-admits-mceachran-could-leave-chelsea-loan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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