🇪🇸 Juan Mata

[Martina 210]

The DM article makes it sound like Mata only wanted United when the Guardian's article just says he was keen, so I think the DM story was a bit sensationalised to make it sound like Mata was desperate for a move to only United when I think that Mata was just desperate for a move a way in general, not in particularly to United.

I’m aware of that. That’s why I asked whether his father contacted other clubs. Because as far as I know United was the only club they approached.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Mata was so classy, I will definitely miss him!

I will never get my head around Juan wearing this horrible red jersey, but I think it was for the best. The club gets a good amount of money and the player gets to be a starter again...

When I first heard about the deal, I went nuts and couldnt believe it. Mata to United? Are we stupid? Why didnt we offer him to the PSGs of the world? But after giving many thoughts about, I come to the conclusion it wasnt such a bad deal. Yes, he is going to Manchester (which says a lot), but it is indeed 37mi pounds for a "squad player" who is out of form. Not the best deal in the world, but a very good one that pleases all parties involved in it.

However, please stop disrespecting Mata just because he decided to go to ManUtd. Let's remember how thankful and respectful he has been about Chelsea during his time here (especially now) and how many great moments he has given us. Also, let's not be hypocrites to the point where we would sit here and deny that any of us would decline a better salary, with more playing time!

I bet Mata and Mourinho would have preferred that things worked out, but just because they didnt, it doesnt mean Mata and/or Mourinho are evil or traitors or whatever!!!

The best we can do is remember the good moments and forget the bad ones. We should thank Mata for the amazing things he has done and wish him good luck on a personal level (because I aint rooting for Manure, lol)...

[sk21 11]

I bet Mata and Mourinho would have preferred that things worked out, but just because they didnt, it doesnt mean Mata and/or Mourinho are evil or traitors or whatever!!!

mourinho isnt - mata obviously is a traitor of highest caliber. instead of trying to fight for his place in this squad - he forced a transfer to chelseas big rivals. it doesnt get much worse than that..

[Rmpr 8,977]

mourinho isnt - mata obviously is a traitor of highest caliber. instead of trying to fight for his place in this squad - he forced a transfer to chelseas big rivals. it doesnt get much worse than that..

LOL

[Jase 43,479]

I'm sorry but his 'unveiling' made me sick. What such self indulgent drivel

He said :-

"...When I heard Moyes wanted me, I thought 'Wow..."

"...'I would like to win the Premier League. It's a very special trophy for every player that plays in this country. At this club I believe you can achieve anything."

Come on Juan no one speaking to Moyes says wow??

Why do you have to mention in every ****** interview that you had a difficult time. You sat on the bench a wee while and Jose's wasn't falling over himself to make it the 'Mata' Show' so you acted like a child and wanted out. Well hope your happy now, I'm sure the bench at Utd is comfier while everyone else is playing in the Champions league.

He said he can cope with the pressure of being Utd's most expensive signing but you didn't take no 7??? Good no way you deserve it

As for winning the title, you trying to say chelsea can't achieve that **** off,

Good luck with winning it this season with Utd.

mourinho isnt - mata obviously is a traitor of highest caliber. instead of trying to fight for his place in this squad - he forced a transfer to chelseas big rivals. it doesnt get much worse than that..

No offence but this is an example of people being so tribalistic that they can't think of something objectively and resort to cliches and petty attacks on the player.

[sk21 11]

No offence but this is a good example of people being so tribalistic that they can't think of something objectively and resort to cliches and petty attacks on the player.

come again? it went exactly like that. mourinho wanted to keep mata (even if he felt that the guy wasnt good enough to play for the club. he was still willing to keep him) but mata forced a transfer. mourinho has said it millions (aaaaaaaaand millions) times that hes willing to keep mata.

theres absolutely no other way to see this.

[bababoom 4,478]

I'm sorry but his 'unveiling' made me sick. What such self indulgent drivel

He said :- "...When I heard Moyes wanted me, I thought 'Wow..." "...'I would like to win the Premier League. It's a very special trophy for every player that plays in this country. At this club I believe you can achieve anything."

Come on Juan no one speaking to Moyes says wow??

What do you want him to say? he's a United player now, he's saying all the right things. At least he's not slagging us off, like a few players in the past.

Why do you have to mention in every ****** interview that you had a difficult time. You sat on the bench a wee while and Jose's wasn't falling over himself to make it the 'Mata' Show' so you acted like a child and wanted out. Well hope your happy now, I'm sure the bench at Utd is comfier while everyone else is playing in the Champions league.

You're so bitter it's hilarious.. how did he act like a child? He wanted to play more, United offered a big sum of money and seeing as he didn't fit in Jose's system it was a no-brainer. It was right for all parties involved.

'Jose wasnt falling over himself to make it the 'Mata show'

He said he can cope with the pressure of being Utd's most expensive signing but you didn't take no 7??? Good no way you deserve it

He wasn't offered no.7, it's most likely being groomed for Januzaj.

As for winning the title, you trying to say chelsea can't achieve that **** off,

Good luck with winning it this season with Utd.

He didn't say that at all...

Shocking how some fans have already turned on Mata... sad. I personally wish him all the best.

[DDA 10,238]

I will never turn on Mata because let's face it. The guy is truly a humble man who knows how to play football.

But

When I turned SSN on to see him holding that number 8 short of United... I felt sick to my stomach.

I don't care how financially astute or fair to Mata this transfer is... you do not sell one of your best players in their prime to one of your biggest direct rivals.

End of.

I just can't get my head around it.

[Kieran. 6,317]

No offence but this is an example of people being so tribalistic that they can't think of something objectively and resort to cliches and petty attacks on the player.

Football fans being tribalistic?! ....

[Eidur the Spider 4,515]

Lampard (1/2): "Juan Mata is an absolutely fantastic player and more than that he is an absolutely great lad..." (ITV) #CFC

Lampard (2/2): "The difficult thing here is that there are so many quality players & Oscar has been fantastic this year, as has Hazard" #CFC

[Jase 43,479]

come again? it went exactly like that. mourinho wanted to keep mata (even if he felt that the guy wasnt good enough to play for the club. he was still willing to keep him) but mata forced a transfer. mourinho has said it millions (aaaaaaaaand millions) times that hes willing to keep mata.

theres absolutely no other way to see this.

You are only looking at a tree and not the forest. Yes, Mourinho has said he wants to keep Mata (he's probably just being diplomatic about it) but it's obvious to all, or at least to many, fans that he only sees Mata as a squad player especially again, when it's clear that he doesn't fit into the system we are playing now. He has worked hard, tried to adapt, tried to fit into the system but it was never going to be enough for Mourinho's liking.

Moreover, Jose has pretty much indicated this when he said he wanted to bring Mata on in recent games to change things when it's still 0-0 (only for us to go score shortly after it) and how Mata doesn't want to be playing against the likes of Stoke but teams like United, City etc. It's clear that from what Mourinho and Mata himself said, he wants to be a first team player, he doesn't want to be just a squad player and even if it means leaving for United, then so be it. We all love him and likewise as well but we can't be selfish and think only from a fan's POV and expect Mata to sacrifice his own career to just sit on the bench half of the time here.

[Jase 43,479]

Football fans being tribalistic?! ....

Think I know what you're trying to say or imply from that response but not 100% sure...

[sk21 11]

You are only looking at a tree and not the forest. Yes, Mourinho has said he wants to keep Mata (he's probably just being diplomatic about it) but it's obvious to all, or at least to many, fans that he only sees Mata as a squad player especially again, when it's clear that he doesn't fit into the system we are playing now. He has worked hard, tried to adapt, tried to fit into the system but it was never going to be enough for Mourinho's liking.

Moreover, Jose has pretty much indicated this when he said he wanted to bring Mata on in recent games to change things when it's still 0-0 (only for us to go score shortly after it) and how Mata doesn't want to be playing against the likes of Stoke but teams like United, City etc. It's clear that from what Mourinho and Mata himself said, he wants to be a first team player, he doesn't want to be just a squad player and even if it means leaving for United, then so be it. We all love him and likewise as well but we can't be selfish and think only from a fan's POV and expect Mata to sacrifice his own career to just sit on the bench half of the time here.

you mean he simply knew that he wasnt good enough so all the fight for starting place would have been waste of time? interesting point and to be fair youre probably right with that. just expected him to fight a bit longer than 4 months lol

[Martina 210]

My guess (I have no evidence - it was only a feeling - highly subjective) based on some interviews shortly after it was announced that José was coming to Chelsea was that Mata wasn’t thrilled at all. And if it’s true that he approached United in August then there might be something to it.

It’s no secret that Mata is a very close friend of Casillas - so perhaps he was slightly apprehensive about Mourinho to begin with? Perhaps he would have been more positive under a different manager? Because I honestly believe Rooney is to Moyes what Oscar is to Mourinho, obviously for different reasons. So Mata might face a similar situation in United.

Mata was at his best under Benitez, who had the luxury of being an “interim” and didn’t have to build a team for the future. Let’s face it - there was no system at all. But as much as I hate Benitez I think he might be a better manager than Moyes - and Moyes must build for the future. Not for a second do I think that United will turn it around just because they’ve got Mata.

(I don’t believe José wanted to keep Mata as much as he says he did. I think it was mutual, at least towards the end they both just wanted to move on. And I think the club dealt with it really well).

Anyways, here are some thoughts on where Mata might play in United:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/tacticsandanalysis/id/2524?cc=5739

[Jase 43,479]

you mean he simply knew that he wasnt good enough so all the fight for starting place would have been waste of time?

No. Mata knew he had to improve (he has always said he can still improve), especially after Mourinho made the point about his lack of defending, and he did. You can see in the subsequent games that he tracked back, worked his socks off and tried to adapt to the way Mourinho wanted but the issue was, it was never quite enough for Jose's liking - hence why he was subbed off countless of times - even when he is doing well. Mata simply suffered because he doesn't have that same level of athleticism like Oscar or Willian that Mourinho wants from the players.

[Thendo 1,088]

Chris Cohen aka "the Chelsea song maker" made a Goodbye song for Mata, quite funny

[nadavTKL 1,787]

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[Rmpr 8,977]

@, dont waist your time on trying to force common sense on a member who is plain stupid!

Sk21 is dumber than bushman...

[The Mak 4,459]

So United were able to keep us at arms length during the whole negotiations while still meeting the buyout clause they were specifically EXCLUDED from? Boy, don't we sound like a bunch of pushovers.

If they refused to meet face to face we should've at least charged them a 'premium'. We could've milked them for an extra 5-10m EASILY. They were desperate and it was so obvious that they were never getting a player near Mata's quality in this window. If they didn't bite straight away they would've panicked the closer it came to deadline day. Their CL hopes depended on it.

I mean, I rather we didn't sell to them in the first instance, but if we were I'd rather we played hardball instead of bending over and taking it from a club that flat-out refused to do business with us months ago. We look like a bunch of mugs for putting up with their bullshit!

[The_Flash 1,144]

come again? it went exactly like that. mourinho wanted to keep mata (even if he felt that the guy wasnt good enough to play for the club. he was still willing to keep him) but mata forced a transfer. mourinho has said it millions (aaaaaaaaand millions) times that hes willing to keep mata.

theres absolutely no other way to see this.

Thank you, at least a few people can see sense and have taken off their Mata love googles and see f**** sense.

Yes it is sad but stop hiding your hurt by bigging him up and making excuses for him. He chose them over us, that's a fact. Let's all just get over it but people having a go at the people including myself for telling the truth is pathetic.

---- James ---- That rubbish you spouted at me isn't worth me quoting . Did you miss the bit where Mata marched off and grabbed his cost and slammed his seat down, for being substituted, I'm sorry it's childish hardly professional particularly in front of people who haven't played for way longer than poor Mata.

He is kind of slagging Jose and by saying he went there to win the league as if our club isn't good enough to do it??? We did it without Mata and we will do it again without him one day I am sure.

Bitter is a strange word to use, I am disappointed that he's left that's it and how he has behaved after wards has opened my eyes and it's sad but bitter that's not the emotion I am feeling.

frankly I am so bored of all the talk of b, HE WASNT EVEN PLAYING FOR US !!!!

We have been great before and will be great after.

It's so embarrassing people arguing over it, aren't we supposed to be Chelsea fans.

I care about my club and how they are protracted at first Mata portrayed Jose was forcing him out and Jose said he was happy for him to stay now Mata comes out and all he wants is Utd, give us all a break Juan.

And Janzuai number. 7 god that would be worse than Mata getting it, way better people come and gone at Utd for him to get it.