Romelu Lukaku

[chelsea_4_eva 1,160]

Rom is great against less gifted sides as he can bully their players, but please for those crunch games we need our fast pace press. It is our game, especially in our CL run, it was vital.

The things I worry about most is he becomes undroppable or when he gets dropped he has a fit, but hopefully he has matured and this wont happen.

Edited September 30, 2021 by chelsea_4_eva

[ZAPHOD2319 4,525]

Conte speaking about Lukaku's current play

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/Chelsea-dont-know-how-to-use-lukaku-conte/1vuuzr10rxldd1ko8suyjn28ha

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, NikkiCFC said:

 

Conte do know that we won the Champions League last season without an actual #9, right? 

1 hour ago, ZAPHOD2319 said:

Conte speaking about Lukaku's current play

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/Chelsea-dont-know-how-to-use-lukaku-conte/1vuuzr10rxldd1ko8suyjn28ha

Yes, we have to sacrifice whatever attacking patterns and plays we have formed under Tuchel last season all because one of player, who isn't even Ronaldo or Messi. Time will tell how it goes with Lukaku but some times, introducing a solution to a problem could bring other problems instead. 

[Jase 43,479]

On 27/09/2021 at 01:15, MoroccanBlue said:

My biggest criticism of Tuchel so far is him having 9 months of management and he still can't suss out which attacking players compliment one another. 

Some times, having too many options can be detrimental, even more so now if the manager refuses to drop a player. 

He might not be everyone's cup of tea but Gab Marcotti mentioned on ESPN FC the other day that Tuchel has been relying on individual brilliance to win games since his PSG days. Said he hasn't seen a properly coached attacks from a Tuchel team since his time at Mainz and Dortmund. 

[manpe 10,861]

I don't like how our game plan has changed to be so one-dimensional. Now we seem to have one plan A and nothing else: Find Lukaku at whatever cost and hope he makes something of it. Last season we had that as plan B/C with Giroud, but it was never our main game, we relied on high-pressing, combinations and movement. Now we're static because everybody starts looking for Lukaku with his back to goal the moment they get the ball. Decent teams can suss out Lukaku fairly easily, that's not news, but in such cases we need to have backup plans. If hoofing the ball to Rom doesn't work in 1st half it likely won't work in 2nd either... then change things up like we did last season. Play Havertz and Werner interchanging with each other, making movements into channels and runs behind. Havertz actually produced his best form playing false 9, we won the damn UCL with this strategy.

What is it with us and super stubborn managers? Too early to call that on TT yet, he will have his chances to mix things up, but if he doesn't it will be his downfall like all the previous managers. Lukaku mustn't become undroppable, he is very useful against certain teams and situations, so use him wisely but not all the time!

Edited October 1, 2021 by manpe

[Tomo 21,733]

I think one thing we can all agree on is that Lukaku must deliver in the run of fixtures we have between now and the United game.

We signed him to stop us dropping points in these type of games, so if us compromising our style of play can even begin to be justified then he has to be winning us these games.

[OneMoSalah 8,789]

I think as limited as our attack has looked, to say Lukaku has harmed or prevented Werner, Pulisic, Havertz etc from developing or playing better is utter bullshit, frankly.

I mean Havertz has played regularly this season and hasn't convinced entirely. Werner played virtually every game last season under 2 managers and hardly fully convinced consistently bar one wee spell of games with Tuchel. He isn’t on the bench for nothing. 

The real problem is who is the best 2 to play off of Lukaku in that 3421. 100% we need someone who has pace enough and can play in 1 v 1s in that front 3 and its fair to say Mount is as inevitable a big a miss as you can have. Maybe Pulisic-Lukaku-Mount has to be tried, or dare I say it, playing a back 4 with 2 actual wingers and Mount at number 10? Big problem with our attack is we actually lack multiple players with pace to open up spaces as well as seeing poor chemistry between the attackers. The balance isn’t right. Look at how Conte used Lukaku with Martinez, thats two players who suited playing off one another because their skillsets complimented each other. I am not entirely sure what Ziyech and Kai brought to the table playing off of Rom. 

Hopefully this chemistry comes over time, its only 8 or 9 games into the season in all comps. Whilst there has been alarming signs the last 2 games, the other games weren’t half as bad as being made out. Tuchel even said after Villa IIRC and other games we weren’t where we needed to be. 

[NikkiCFC 8,062]

Only difference between Juve/City games and AV in Cup, Zenit, Spurs (first half) is quality of opposition. We were shit in all games but quality of opposition decided results. All this talk we lost because Mount didn't play entertains me and it's like saying we lost because Kepa didn't play. 

[Warning_Hazard 156]

1 hour ago, Tomo said:

I think one thing we can all agree on is that Lukaku must deliver in the run of fixtures we have between now and the United game.

We signed him to stop us dropping points in these type of games, so if us compromising our style of play can even begin to be justified then he has to be winning us these games.

Know what youre saying but to sign a £97m striker to hope he scores against lesser teams when theres 24 points up for grabs against our rivals, Seems like a bit of a joke at this point tbh.

[Warning_Hazard 156]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think as limited as our attack has looked, to say Lukaku has harmed or prevented Werner, Pulisic, Havertz etc from developing or playing better is utter bullshit, frankly.

I mean Havertz has played regularly this season and hasn't convinced entirely. Werner played virtually every game last season under 2 managers and hardly fully convinced consistently bar one wee spell of games with Tuchel. He isn’t on the bench for nothing. 

The real problem is who is the best 2 to play off of Lukaku in that 3421. 100% we need someone who has pace enough and can play in 1 v 1s in that front 3 and its fair to say Mount is as inevitable a big a miss as you can have. Maybe Pulisic-Lukaku-Mount has to be tried, or dare I say it, playing a back 4 with 2 actual wingers and Mount at number 10? Big problem with our attack is we actually lack multiple players with pace to open up spaces as well as seeing poor chemistry between the attackers. The balance isn’t right. Look at how Conte used Lukaku with Martinez, thats two players who suited playing off one another because their skillsets complimented each other. I am not entirely sure what Ziyech and Kai brought to the table playing off of Rom. 

Hopefully this chemistry comes over time, its only 8 or 9 games into the season in all comps. Whilst there has been alarming signs the last 2 games, the other games weren’t half as bad as being made out. Tuchel even said after Villa IIRC and other games we weren’t where we needed to be. 

So is your narrative of blaming one of the supposedly best squads in world football as the reason for lukaku playing utter dog doo and only scoring against recently promoted sides and a dire spurs ffs.

Some of you should be football agents because you dont half have a knack of talking absolute rollox to try and convince the masses!!

 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Warning_Hazard

[ZAPHOD2319 4,525]

Our squad is one of the best at defending. It has never been one of the best at finishing in the final third, far from it. 

[Tomo 21,733]

13 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Know what youre saying but to sign a £97m striker to hope he scores against lesser teams when theres 24 points up for grabs against our rivals, Seems like a bit of a joke at this point tbh.

At this point I would put Arsenal and Spurs in the lesser game category if we're talking purely levels.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Tomo

[Warning_Hazard 156]

4 minutes ago, Tomo said:

At this point I would put Arsenal and Spurs in the lesser game category if we're talking purely levels.

24 points from 4 closest teams around us whoever that might be, Point still remains.

[OneMoSalah 8,789]

29 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said:

So is your narrative of blaming one of the supposedly best squads in world football as the reason for lukaku playing utter dog doo and only scoring against recently promoted sides and a dire spurs ffs.

Some of you should be football agents because you dont half have a knack of talking absolute rollox to try and convince the masses!!

 

I dont know what your reading, you’ve taken my post completely in the wrong way. Or just tried to funnel it into something it isnt….

Someone said Lukaku has disrupted the likes of Havertz, Ziyech, Pulisic, Werner etc but have they done anything of note this season? Did they perform outstandingly last season as well in periods? No. Also, is the attack this season not functioning amazingly solely on Lukaku’s shoulders? Obviously its not. But that seems to be the narrative. The attacking problem is a collective one, clearly, from Lukaku and the 2 off him to the wingbacks as well not being to the level they should be offensively and even in midfield lacking a bit more creativity.

I said we lacked chemistry in attack and the combinations we have tried so far the last 2 games haven’t really worked. Where did I say Lukaku was only shit because of the others? I mean if you use your eyes and read everything instead of jumping to conclusions based on maybe misinterpreting a sentence, trust me you’ll not find that.

[Jype 6,398]

41 minutes ago, Warning_Hazard said:

Know what youre saying but to sign a £97m striker to hope he scores against lesser teams when theres 24 points up for grabs against our rivals, Seems like a bit of a joke at this point tbh.

So you're saying is there are 24 points up for grabs against the so called 'rivals' but that also means there's 90 points up for grabs against everyone else in the league. The league title will be decided on how many points the team get from the other 90 rather than results against the rivals.

[OneMoSalah 8,789]

2 minutes ago, Jype said:

So you're saying is there are 24 points up for grabs against the so called 'rivals' but that also means there's 90 points up for grabs against everyone else in the league. The league title will be decided on how many points the team get from the other 90 rather than results against the rivals.

Precisely.

I think under Tuchel our big game records not really the issue (despite the two losses this last 2 games v City, Juve), its the smaller sides that we dropped more points against. 

Jose’s first season back in his second spell here was as good an indicator also, if you can get points v the big teams (think we took points of City, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and United) but drop points v the smaller teams due to not being able to convert chances etc, you’re not going to win league titles.

[Warning_Hazard 156]

1 hour ago, OneMoSalah said:

Precisely.

I think under Tuchel our big game records not really the issue (despite the two losses this last 2 games v City, Juve), its the smaller sides that we dropped more points against. 

Jose’s first season back in his second spell here was as good an indicator also, if you can get points v the big teams (think we took points of City, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and United) but drop points v the smaller teams due to not being able to convert chances etc, you’re not going to win league titles.

I cant see that neckbeards posts but I can from your reply, You both forget about rivals ALSO winning most of their games against the lower teams!!!

Who was the last team to win the PL and not beat any other challengers?

Man city are probably the closet to that but this year its much much closer jut look at the table!

Im giving it until xmas either way
 

Edited October 1, 2021 by Warning_Hazard

[NikkiCFC 8,062]