1- You're English, and back in 2010 would I judge England by their performances in Euro 08, sorry, Euro 08 qualifiers? Hell no. 2- Ironically, Brazil was the Confederations Cup title holder back then. I wouldn't call them poor. 3- They played in a balanced way during that final, created 2 deadly chances to kill the game in the 2nd half. If Robben had scored and they became champions we'd be having a different argument here. Say for example, with the way we played Bayern last year, would you say we kicked Bayern off the park had we lost that match and that Chelsea are club football flops for losing 2 CL finals?